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06-24-2012, 09:29 PM
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Offer Sheets and Burke

So recently I saw an interview with Burke and he mentioned that offer sheets are not off the board for him this off season and I know in the past he has been against it...did anyone else see this interview?

If he were to put an offer in on an RFA is it possible its because he is sick and tired of people trying to pick the bones of the Leafs(Gardiner etc) and fire back with an offer on say Schneider with long term(5 or 6 years?) and the max money to only give up a 1st 2nd and 3rd(Im not sure what that threshold is). They would have to match if it is accepted they would end up with 12+mil in goalies on the roster and they can just piss off with Luongo or trade him for dirt at that point. At least the offer sheet would force them to act fast.

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So you're saying that if teams don't trade us there players for crap we should throw a hissy fit and try to screw them ?

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So you're saying that if teams don't trade us there players for crap we should throw a hissy fit and try to screw them ?
Yes.

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Yes.
Maybe it would be easier for Burke to rent a barn and fight them for thier top players .

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Yes.
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Hey ... whatever works!

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Maybe it would be easier for Burke to rent a barn and fight them for thier top players .
If it works ....

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Maybe it would be easier for Burke to rent a barn and fight them for thier top players .
Solid plan C imo.

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So recently I saw an interview with Burke and he mentioned that offer sheets are not off the board for him this off season and I know in the past he has been against it...did anyone else see this interview?

I'd want to see footage of that as proof that he said it because I saw him say the exact opposite a week ago.

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If it works ....
I think he could take Shero and Gino would be a nice fit here .

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For about the 500th time: Burke has never been against offer sheets.

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Should offer Schnieder $6,268,174 cap hit. See if Gillis likes playing hard ball for Luongo. Also, didn't he offer sheet against someone else a few years back?

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Offer sheet Schneider 10 years 50 million if they don't trade us Luongo for Komisarek.

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Offer sheet Schneider 10 years 50 million if they don't trade us Luongo for Komisarek.
I'm sure they'll just let us have him for 4 x 1st rounders

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I'm sure they'll just let us have him for 4 x 1st rounders
$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks

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nothing else has worked so far so he might as well try offer sheeting someone

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Haven't we learned our lesson yet?

1st line star center
Tyler Seguin 6'2" 210lbs

top 2 defenseman
Dougie Hamilton 6'4" 220lbs

No way I'm giving Schnieder an offer, not giving up another top 5 pick and top 10 pick.

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burke isnt against offer sheets, he doesnt like how they inflate. Like if schnieder is worth 3 million and we gave 5-6 mill to get him. Thats what he hates. He knew penner wasnt worth the money in anaheim and thats why he let him go and dislike the offer sheets

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He's not against renting barnes either and a cage match for Kopitar would be alot more entertaining than waiting to see if the nucks match an offer for Schnids .
i'm down, could be the nhl's version of "the decision"

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We should have dropped an atomic bomb of an offer sheet on Stamkos last summer that would have blown Tampa's finances back to 1992. I'm all in favour of offer sheets, but I'd save it for special players.

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So you're saying that if teams don't trade us there players for crap we should throw a hissy fit and try to screw them ?
I wouldn't call it a hissy fit. And thinking about it more closely now, it's not against the rules at all and it's just good strategy. Teams should be aware that things like these can happen and if they don't have the foresight to plan against it, then why shouldn't teams take advantage?

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$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
For the purposes of calculating cap hit in an offer sheet, the most # of years you can use is 5 to discourage those shady long term deals.

$50million for 10 years would be calculated as $50million / 5 years or $10mill per year. (4 x 1st rounders)

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Burke has never been against offer sheets.

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Haven't we learned our lesson yet?

1st line star center
Tyler Seguin 6'2" 210lbs

top 2 defenseman
Dougie Hamilton 6'4" 220lbs

No way I'm giving Schnieder an offer, not giving up another top 5 pick and top 10 pick.
Tyler Seguin - 1st or 2nd line RIGHT WING
Doug Hamilton - OHL

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Haven't we learned our lesson yet?

1st line star center
Tyler Seguin 6'2" 210lbs

top 2 defenseman
Dougie Hamilton 6'4" 220lbs

No way I'm giving Schnieder an offer, not giving up another top 5 pick and top 10 pick.
Are you seriously saying we are in the lottery again next season with the addition of Schneider? If we had some consistency in net we would more than likely be a playoff team, certainly not lottery IMO at the very least. If we can show serious progression some stud players actually might not be intimidated to join the Leafs. I agree it might piss them off but really how do you guys feel about what CBJ were asking of us for Nash? That was outrageous. Also I only mentioned giving one first rounder up, if they offered Schneider for next years 1st-3rd picks you wouldn't take that deal?!

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For the purposes of calculating cap hit in an offer sheet, the most # of years you can use is 5 to discourage those shady long term deals.

$50million for 10 years would be calculated as $50million / 5 years or $10mill per year. (4 x 1st rounders)
Umm.. no?

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$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
Last years numbers, yes? Thresholds'll all be slightly higher this year, haven't seen them yet, but it's tied to average salary which no doubt increased again.

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I wouldn't call it a hissy fit. And thinking about it more closely now, it's not against the rules at all and it's just good strategy. Teams should be aware that things like these can happen and if they don't have the foresight to plan against it, then why shouldn't teams take advantage?
I just said that in response to the OP saying we should do it so teams don't ask us for our most valuable assets in trades .

I have no problem with offer sheets but they only have a chance of working in very unique situations and for the most part only serve to drive up prices for everyone .

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