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06-28-2012, 09:45 AM
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Im interested in players like Lats and Mueller because I am of the mind we are in a rebuilding mode. Gambling on talented players with history of production and seasons de-railed by injuries seems to me to be the smarter move than investing money into contracts of aging players.

Doan, Whitney or Jagr would be great signings, don't be me wrong. But we are a young team that should be looking to the future. Signing one of those guys as a mentor to the plethora of young talent is fine, but I think we should be making pitches for players that have long term upside for us. Not just the service of 1-3 years in the twilight of their career.

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In anyway, Lats is the only francophone in this FA market worth to make a small offer to, so if Bergevin is true to his words when he was hired. he should make a pitch to him.... my guess is it won't work, but he still need to do the talk

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I'd put part of the blame on Lats himself or his agent.

They didn't wanted to sign any AHL deals. It was the NHL or no contracts.

Had he developed in Hamilton, I think we could have noticed what he was, what he wasn't.
The thing with Lats is that during the couple of pre-seasons after being drafted, he played like we all wanted him to play. I think it was the motivation of making the team and how he fed off the chants of the crowd. But he wasn't that kind of player when things settled down and he had a spot. He wasn't a bad player at all, in fact, he provided good even strength offensive depth. But if those 16 goals a year were accompanied by 230 bone crushing hits a year and 5 fights a year, he'd still be a hab and the city would adore him.


Now the habs are in a situation where they need that physical presence and having Lats means we have a big guy who plays like a 5'10 guy, not soft, but doesn't throw his weight around as much as you'd want to. The habs need that physical and intimidating dimension, not only from solely one player, but as a whole...a reason for the Bruins to think twice before trying to goon it up against us.

The intimidation card rarely works these days, but the bruins and many other teams have made it work against us, because it's a glaring weakness in our roster.

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06-28-2012, 09:46 AM
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Im interested in players like Lats and Mueller because I am of the mind we are in a rebuilding mode. Gambling on talented players with history of production and seasons de-railed by injuries seems to me to be the smarter move than investing money into contracts of aging players.

Doan, Whitney or Jagr would be great signings, don't be me wrong. But we are a young team that should be looking to the future. Signing one of those guys as a mentor to the plethora of young talent is fine, but I think we should be making pitches for players that have long term upside for us. Not just the service of 1-3 years in the twilight of their career.
totally agree with you on that....

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06-28-2012, 09:46 AM
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Our top priority should be a big, physical D-man:

Bryan Allen
Cory Sarich

are higher price candidates.

Jason Garrison, Matt Carkner, Scott Hannan and others are lower-priced options.


Next, a 4th-liner. Probably two. Konopka, Prust, Mathieu Roy, Darcy Hordichuk and the like. We need someone with grit. Konopka has the additonal trick of being a faceoff wizard. Moen fits in here.

Last, and least likely, a 2nd-line winger. Here's where it gets dicey. The true candidates are rare and very pricey (Parise, Doan) or so compromised that they are projects (Latendresse, Wolski, Mueller).

Best case scenarios in the real world...something like:

Allen, Konopka/Moen, Wolski

or

Garrision, Prust/Moen, Latendresse

or

Hannan, Roy/Moen, Alexei Ponikarovsky
Garrison will be more expensive than Sarich and Allen.

Like others here, I'm of a mind that we are in a rebuilding/retooling phase. from that point of view, we can take risks in players like Mueller and Fats Lats. They have shown the potential to be impact players and will either be cheaper, have less term or both than the top players on the Market. I also wouldn't be opposed to bringing in veteran stop gaps.

Ideally, I'd target:
-1 of Mueller/Latendresse
-2 of Prust/Konopka/Moen/Hordichuk
-1 of Sarich/Kubina/Gill

It should allow us to ice a decent roster and evaluate what we have.


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06-28-2012, 09:49 AM
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Is agent was and still is Pat Brisson, one of the biggest in the game... and, just saying, a real, close personnal friend of Marc Bergevin....
Its water under the bridge now. Lats outgrown the initial misleads of his career, and is better developed than he was back then.

Take him back and undo a mistake that did both parties wrong. 2 years, 1.8M/Years. He might end up being a steal if he stays healthy

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06-28-2012, 09:50 AM
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The fact Brisson and Bergevin are buddies means jack-****.

That's no reason to speculate he's coming back. Contracts don't get dished out like that.

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06-28-2012, 09:52 AM
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The thing with Lats is that during the couple of pre-seasons after being drafted, he played like we all wanted him to play. I think it was the motivation of making the team and how he fed off the chants of the crowd. But he wasn't that kind of player when things settled down and he had a spot. He wasn't a bad player at all, in fact, he provided good even strength offensive depth. But if those 16 goals a year were accompanied by 230 bone crushing hits a year and 5 fights a year, he'd still be a hab and the city would adore him.


Now the habs are in a situation where they need that physical presence and having Lats means we have a big guy who plays like a 5'10 guy, not soft, but doesn't throw his weight around as much as you'd want to. The habs need that physical and intimidating dimension, not only from solely one player, but as a whole...a reason for the Bruins to think twice before trying to goon it up against us.
on the fourth line i agree, but if on a second line, i have a 6'3 230 lbs guy who can score, i'm all for that. he may be soft with a big body, but would still be harder to intimidate than a 5'10 185 lbs guy....

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The fact Brisson and Bergevin are buddies means jack-****.

That's no reason to speculate he's coming back. Contracts don't get dished out like that.
It seems coaches are chosen like that or at least in part like that.

Brisson & Bergevin being buddies = Their will be talks at least.

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on the fourth line i agree, but if on a second line, i have a 6'3 230 lbs guy who can score, i'm all for that. he may be soft with a big body, but would still be harder to intimidate than a 5'10 185 lbs guy....
And while he might not be a great fighter, he still is big and strong and can act in a scrum, or pitch in a line fight like Boston sometimes try to draw us in.

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06-28-2012, 09:57 AM
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The fact Brisson and Bergevin are buddies means jack-****.

That's no reason to speculate he's coming back. Contracts don't get dished out like that.
And since you are a NHL agent, NHL player or team executives, you know all of this as fact....

If friendship doesnt mean anything, why is there IOU sometimes in this league? It goes both ways Brisson can tell Lats things about him being in a better fit in MTL, with family and everything and Bergevin can up the offer a little bit for his buddy... it could be working that way... we don't know....

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on the fourth line i agree, but if on a second line, i have a 6'3 230 lbs guy who can score, i'm all for that. he may be soft with a big body, but would still be harder to intimidate than a 5'10 185 lbs guy....
I agree that it would be interesting to put him on the Desharnais line with Cole. Maybe he would feed off Cole's style of play and throw the body.

I must admit that at the beginning I was totally against it, but thinking of it, it might be an interesting signing. We need more goals tho'.

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06-28-2012, 09:59 AM
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And while he might not be a great fighter, he still is big and strong and can act in a scrum, or pitch in a line fight like Boston sometimes try to draw us in.
thank you for supporting my points....

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I agree that it would be interesting to put him on the Desharnais line with Cole. Maybe he would feed off Cole's style of play and throw the body.

I must admit that at the beginning I was totally against it, but thinking of it, it might be an interesting signing. We need more goals tho'.
yes, but if we could have him at kind of a discount price.... don't want to overpay for him....

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I view Latendresse as a bridge for Leblanc to spend another year of development. While all indications are Leblanc is capable of playing at least 3rd-line minutes at the NHL level I'd like to give him some more time to polish his offensive game in Hamilton.

I don't think Latendresse fills the huge, gaping LW hole in the top-6 because there's so much uncertainty about him with the injury trouble he's had but he's no a bad gamble for depth and to buy time for the prospects. As a guy who has never had to play tough defensive minutes he's absolutely not the answer to play on Plekanec' wing (though the Habs have the answer internally with Pacioretty if they choose to use it).

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The fact Brisson and Bergevin are buddies means jack-****.

That's no reason to speculate he's coming back. Contracts don't get dished out like that.
Say what you like, but it sure helps.

Fact is Brisson likely talks more highly of Bergervin than the GM who just got turfed ...TRUE OR FALSE?


That alone is a positive,and might mean more than you think it does.

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thank you for supporting my points....
I'm on your side here, I like the idea of Lats back :-D

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The beauty of Latendresse is that he's a very good candidate for 3rd line duty with the potential bonus of 2nd line promotion to go with Desharnais, freeing up Patch for Plek.

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The beauty of Latendresse is that he's a very good candidate for 3rd line duty with the potential bonus of 2nd line promotion to go with Desharnais, freeing up Patch for Plek.
He is a solid PP net presence now that AK is gone.

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He is a solid PP net presence now that AK is gone.
That too. And he's Quebecois.

The ONLY downside is the injury risk. Mulder is there about that.

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For the people who wanted Ott with the Habs, rumours are that Dallas is asking for Derek Roy from Buffalo or Paul Stastny from Colorado in return.. anyone interested in giving up any of our top 3 centers for him? I hope not.

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For the people who wanted Ott with the Habs, rumours are that Dallas is asking for Derek Roy from Buffalo or Paul Stastny from Colorado in return.. anyone interested in giving up any of our top 3 centers for him? I hope not.
That has to be a joke! They traded Ribeiro for a 2nd and Eaking and they want that much for Steve Ott?

Guess Bob Gainey really really hates Mike Ribeiro

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Yeah, credibility You cannot take a chance on 3 guys with injury problems, it is gonna bite us in the a$s pretty hard. I'm all on giving Tender another shot, but not Mueller, maybe Wolski
Hmm Mueller is better than Latendresse...much less riskier too seeing how he actually finished the season in the NHL last season playing 32 games while Latendresse has yet to play. I doubt either signs here though, might want a non hockey market.

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I wouldn't give Wolski another shot. This guy has been bounced around farrr too much.

Mueller and Lats would be going to their 3rd team (2nd in Lats case).

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As per the following link, Latendresse is a UFA as of Sunday.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com/2012...edly-to-go-ufa

So...

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Latendresse - Plekanec - Gionta
Bourque - Eller - Leblanc
Moen - UFA - White
Staubitz

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
UFA - Weber
St-Denis

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As big of a Weber fan as I am and as high on him as I was - no way does he deserve a spot over Diaz. Not even in the slightest.


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