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06-25-2012, 03:41 PM
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Clarke MacArthur

What would your team be willing to give up for MacArthur+ a 2nd round pick?

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06-25-2012, 03:46 PM
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why plus a 2nd? His value is something like a 1st or a roster player or a decent prospect alone. But I think he will be part of a bigger package for a center or goalie

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why plus a 2nd? His value is something like a 1st or a roster player or a decent prospect alone. But I think he will be part of a bigger package for a center or goalie
I'd give a third round pick for Macarthur alone.

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why plus a 2nd? His value is something like a 1st or a roster player or a decent prospect alone. But I think he will be part of a bigger package for a center or goalie
MacArthur is worth a 1st? I dunno about that, man.

I'd peg his value as similar to Mason Raymond's, but I wouldn't really want either on the Canucks.

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I'd give a third round pick for Macarthur alone.
I think MacArthur's value should be around that of RJ Umberger. Both should be good for 50 pts and a mediocre +/-. I would say MacArthur is smaller but better defensively.

I would think is Umberger + 4th is worth a 1st + 3rd in 2008 and fans say that Tangradi+2nd+3rd is fair now

MacArthur should be worth more then a 3rd

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I think MacArthur's value should be around that of RJ Umberger. Both should be good for 50 pts and a mediocre +/-. I would say MacArthur is smaller but better defensively.

I would think is Umberger + 4th is worth a 1st + 3rd in 2008 and fans say that Tangradi+2nd+3rd is fair now

MacArthur should be worth more then a 3rd
I would be all over a MacArthur+pick for Tangradi.

Lupul-kessel
JVR-Tangradi
Kulemin-Frattin
Brown-Armstrong
Thats a sweet winger core.

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06-25-2012, 04:39 PM
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MacArthur is worth a 1st? I dunno about that, man.

I'd peg his value as similar to Mason Raymond's, but I wouldn't really want either on the Canucks.
If he followed up his 2009-2010 season with 20+ goals maybe but Raymond has only surpassed 15 goals once in 5 seasons while MacArthur has surpassed 15 goals 4 times in 6 seasons (last 4 seasons), with the last two being 20+.

He should not be traded unless Kadri & Frattin push him out of the top 9 or if its in a package for a center or goalie

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I would be all over a MacArthur+pick for Tangradi.

Lupul-kessel
JVR-Tangradi
Kulemin-Frattin
Brown-Armstrong
Thats a sweet winger core.
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I think MacArthur's value should be around that of RJ Umberger. Both should be good for 50 pts and a mediocre +/-. I would say MacArthur is smaller but better defensively.

I would think is Umberger + 4th is worth a 1st + 3rd in 2008 and fans say that Tangradi+2nd+3rd is fair now

MacArthur should be worth more then a 3rd
I'd pay more for Umberger. We need players with size. Macarthur is more of a tweener, IMO. Not really a top 6.

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Tangradi at best would become a bigger, slower, more truculent MacArthur. And when I say at best, I mean it is a long shot at this point. He isn't a prospect we need, if you can still call him a prospect. We have JVR, Kulemin, & Biggs. I would be more interested in picks or established bottom 6 players.

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I would be looking to see if you could get a bit of older stable leadership. I.E Ott or Morrow.

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I could see his value being a mid 2nd round pick.

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06-25-2012, 05:25 PM
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There's not really that much of a point in trading MacArthur just to get a pick / prospect. The guy has scored 20 goals for us the past 2 years, and doesn't make a ton of money.

It especially doesn't make sense if that prospect is a winger like Tangradi, because we've got Kadri, Frattin, Armstrong, Lombardi, Brown & Ashton who all figure to be battling for the bottom 6 spots. I suspect Burke would also like to add a bit of toughness down there in free agency if he could as well.

I think the Leafs have to find a way to make use of MacArthur to satisfy a bigger need on the team -- either in the capacity of an upgrade on Connolly as the #1C, a goaltender, or perhaps a guy like Steve Ott who fits a little better in the bottom 6.

Otherwise, they're probably best trying to hit the reset button on Kadri, salvage the value he has left by trading him before it falls even more, and hang onto MacArthur as added depth.

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If Dallas was interested I'd package Joe Colborne with MacArthur for Ott and a 2nd rounder

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I noticed that every year he's been in the league, his goals and assists are pretty much equal EXCEPT for 2010 where he had twice as many assists as goals. What was unique about 2010 where he had so many assists? I see he was getting quite a bit more PP time in 2010 (3 min/game vs. 2 min/game this year), but that couldn't be all of it.

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I noticed that every year he's been in the league, his goals and assists are pretty much equal EXCEPT for 2010 where he had twice as many assists as goals. What was unique about 2010 where he had so many assists? I see he was getting quite a bit more PP time in 2010 (3 min/game vs. 2 min/game this year), but that couldn't be all of it.
Kulemin used to be able to score...

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I noticed that every year he's been in the league, his goals and assists are pretty much equal EXCEPT for 2010 where he had twice as many assists as goals. What was unique about 2010 where he had so many assists? I see he was getting quite a bit more PP time in 2010 (3 min/game vs. 2 min/game this year), but that couldn't be all of it.
Kulemin scored goals. That was his 30 goal campaign.

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I noticed that every year he's been in the league, his goals and assists are pretty much equal EXCEPT for 2010 where he had twice as many assists as goals. What was unique about 2010 where he had so many assists? I see he was getting quite a bit more PP time in 2010 (3 min/game vs. 2 min/game this year), but that couldn't be all of it.
His linemates combined for 59 goals in 2010 while they were one of the most effective and consistent lines in the league all season...

In 2011, his playmaking didn't really "decrease" per se, but Kulemin had a terrible year offensively and struggled to bury the easy chances. As a result he got shuffled around and played much less with guys that can put the puck in the net.

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A deal around Macarthur+ for Ott would be what this team needs IMO.

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I would say Ott or Morrow for MacArthur+2nd is decent value.

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A deal around Macarthur+ for Ott would be what this team needs IMO.
Maybe Dallas would be interested in MacArthur and Franson for Ott and Pardy?

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mac, franson and lombardi for Laich and Schultz

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Maybe Dallas would be interested in MacArthur and Franson for Ott and Pardy?
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