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06-25-2012, 05:00 PM
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Tim Connolly was (nearly) a PPG centre from 2008-2010. I guess we can demand Eriksson and Benn for him too

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Scraps?

I understand you don't want to trade Stastny, but keep the hyperbole to yourself.
Haha

These are scraps. Don't even bother arguing it:
Glennie
R. Smith
Daley
Chiasson
Vincour
2nd & 4th

These are entirely unproven commodities with higher potential:
Faksa
Oleksiak
Campbell
Larsen

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Anyone who says those are scraps don't know a single thing about the Stars prospect pool. Our last 4 first round picks are in there along with the rest of our good prospects. No prospect was held off limits. Daley is a very solid NHL defender as well.

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Tim Connolly was (nearly) a PPG centre from 2008-2010. I guess we can demand Eriksson and Benn for him too
That's ridiculous. Stastny is way better than Connolly.

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Haha

These are scraps. Don't even bother arguing it:
Glennie
R. Smith
Daley
Chiasson
Vincour
2nd & 4th

These are entirely unproven commodities with higher potential:
Faksa
Oleksiak
Campbell
Larsen
R. Smith Daley and Chiasson sure as hell aren't scraps... get your head out of your ass

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That's ridiculous. Stastny is way better than Connolly.
I know he is. Point I was making is you can't expect ridiculous value for your players because they've had good seasons in the past. I'm looking at Stastny's last two years and frankly I'm not too impressed.

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They are scraps to the Avalanche because we are no longer rebuilding and have prospects in our own pipeline. Cmon guys, I'm not saying they are bad prospects but they are your organization's projects, and most of them have no significant NHL experience

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Haha

These are scraps. Don't even bother arguing it:
Glennie
R. Smith
Daley
Chiasson
Vincour
2nd & 4th

These are entirely unproven commodities with higher potential:
Faksa
Oleksiak
Campbell
Larsen
Then I guess Barrie and Siemens are scraps too.

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I know he is. Point I was making is you can't expect ridiculous value for your players because they've had good seasons in the past. I'm looking at Stastny's last two years and frankly I'm not too impressed.
We're not selling low with Stastny, just to get market value in futures. This is unbelievable

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They are scraps to the Avalanche because we are no longer rebuilding and have prospects in our own pipeline. Cmon guys, I'm not saying they are bad prospects but they are your organization's projects, and most of them have no significant NHL experience
Most of what you're saying is completely untrue and you would immediately realize it if you knew anything about our prospects other than their names.

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Then I guess Barrie and Siemens are scraps too.
They totally are. I wouldn't try to package up Siemens Barrie and Elliott for Jamie Benn because that's foolish.

Maybe they won't be scraps when they develop, but to a contending team like the Stars, they are young, raw, undeveloped scraps. And that's not a derogatory term IMO

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Alex Chiasson and Reilly Smith should be included under "commodities with higher potential."

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Most of what you're saying is completely untrue and you would immediately realize it if you knew anything about our prospects other than their names.
Again, I'm not putting them down, or their potential. I actually like Vincour and Daley, and all 4 (Larsen, Faksa, Oleksiak, Campbell) are very skilled prospects who I would be ecstatic about drafting. But I don't want to trade a roster player who can be a #1 center for them, not in the situation we're in

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A scrap is definitely a derogatory term.

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Alex Chiasson and Reilly Smith should be included under "commodities with higher potential."
Sorry, I'm not an expert on the Stars prospect pool, just a couple of the individual guys. My bad.

The point remains the same: we don't need more prospects

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A scrap is definitely a derogatory term.
How about "pieces that are a fraction of the value of a #1 center"?

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My god, Avs fans are overvaluing all of their centers.

ROR is the next Patrice Bergeron.

Duchene will be an 80-90 point center.

Statsny is a PPG elite two-way center.

Get real FFS. They're not that good.

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Again, I'm not putting them down, or their potential. I actually like Vincour and Daley, and all 4 (Larsen, Faksa, Oleksiak, Campbell) are very skilled prospects who I would be ecstatic about drafting. But I don't want to trade a roster player who can be a #1 center for them, not in the situation we're in
Thank you for proving my point. Campbell sucks. You would hate to have him.

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My god, Avs fans are overvaluing all of their centers.

ROR is the next Patrice Bergeron.

Duchene will be an 80-90 point center.

Statsny is a PPG elite two-way center.

Get real FFS. They're not that good.
So why are you trying to trade for our ****** players?

We're not overvaluing them. We're just flat out saying no.

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So why are you trying to trade for our ****** players?

We're not overvaluing them. We're just flat out saying no.
I didn't say they were ******, but they're not the elite players you make them out to be so often.

Youre doing both, actually.

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My god, Avs fans are overvaluing all of their centers.

ROR is the next Patrice Bergeron.

Duchene will be an 80-90 point center.

Statsny is a PPG elite two-way center.

Get real FFS. They're not that good.
Duchene getting 67 points as a 19 year old. Oh the humanity thinking he could hit 80 points.

Stastny has a career ppg of .88. Eriksson is .72. Benn is .72. Paul Stastny has had 2 seasons that are better than Eriksson's best season, as well as as 1 that is basically identical to Eriksson's best season.

I apologize on behalf of Avs fans for not wanting prospects for our best players.



Would you do Hishon, Seimens, Olver and a 2nd for Benn?

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I didn't say they were ******, but they're not the elite players you make them out to be so often.

Youre doing both, actually.
Claude Giroux had 47 points in his first full season.


2 years later (today): Would you call Claude Giroux an elite player?

Just shut your mouth before you embarrass yourself They are like 3 years younger than Giroux.

Now, please don't mistake this for me saying all of them will be Girouxs in 3 years, the dude is a star. But to say they don't have a chance is just foolish and ignorant

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Duchene getting 67 points as a 19 year old. Oh the humanity thinking he could hit 80 points.

Stastny has a career ppg of .88. Eriksson is .72. Benn is .72. Paul Stastny has had 2 seasons that are better than Eriksson's best season, as well as as 1 that is basically identical to Eriksson's best season.

I apologize on behalf of Avs fans for not wanting prospects for our best players.



Would you do Hishon, Seimens, Olver and a 2nd for Benn?
You go girl!

I agree with this. I don't think Avs fans overrate their players that much at least not more then any other fan base. Why is Stastny for Eriksson such a ludicrous proposal? There would obviously be some additions on each side to even it out that much more.

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Benn and Eriksson aren't trade chips. If they were we'd be asking for Duchene and not Stastny.

two of:
Faksa
Oleksiak
Campbell
Larsen
1st round pick
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one of:
Glennie
R. Smith
Daley
Chiasson
Vincour
2nd & 4th

is what I would offer. If there's nothing there that's enticing, a deal can't be made.
I have to admit.. Faksa, Oleksiak, & Chaisson as a package would be very difficult to pass up, but in the end. Dallas shouldn't be selling the farm to win now and Colorado shouldn't be selling key players for futures.

Stastny has given us reasons to believe he will have a strong season in 12-13 because of his play late last season and during the Worlds. The common theme there is that he was given better wingers who were at least competent finishers. First Jones was put back on his wing in January and then for the last 17 games of the year McGinn was on his line as well.

He scored 32 points in 41 games in 2012, 13 pts in the last 15 games of the year, and was over a PPG at the Worlds.

Stastny has a habit of elevating 3rd liners to 20+ goal seasons. (See Stewart & Galiardi) Jones and McGinn are good players but they are not exactly anything special either. McGinn scored 13 points (8G) in 17 games after the trade. And people wonder why we might want a significant return?

You can't look at the stat sheet for the last two years and sum up a #1 center on a rebuilding team.

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My god, Avs fans are overvaluing all of their centers.

ROR is the next Patrice Bergeron.

Duchene will be an 80-90 point center.

Statsny is a PPG elite two-way center.

Get real FFS. They're not that good.
Ryan O'Reilly (Age 21) - G18 A37 P55 -1 (SH TOI/G - 1:10)
GP Hits BkS MsS GvA TkA FOW FOL Tot FO%
81 - 62 -- 50 - 49 -- 34 - 101 - 762 - 681 1443 52.8

Patrice Bergeron (Age 26) - G22 A42 P64 +36 (SH TOI/G - 1:48)
GP Hits BkS MsS GvA TkA FOW FOL Tot FO%
81 - 73 -- 67 - 85 -- 25 -- 55 -- 973 - 668 1641 59.3

Giroux (24): First three years after being drafted

2007-2008 Flyers 2 0 0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 2 0.0
2007-2008 Canada-WJC-A 7 2 4 6 8
2008-2009 Flyers 42 9 18 27 10 14 2 0 0 67 13.4
2009-2010 Flyers 82 16 31 47 -9 23 8 0 2 145 11.0

Duchene (21) : First three years after being drafted

2009-2010 Avalanche 81 24 31 55 1 16 10 1 2 180 13.3
2009-2010 Canada-WC-A 7 4 3 7 0
2010-2011 Avalanche 80 27 40 67 -8 33 3 0 2 202 13.4
2010-2011 Canada-WC-A 7 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 0
2011-2012 Avalanche 58 14 14 28 -11 8 5 0 2 132 10.6

Just saying..

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