I don't like this move at all. Losing possible asset for nothing. Obviously, If Avalanche medical staff know more about situation, I can understand. I mean, If there's no way he can play anymore, I understand, but other than that, no. This is just ****ing terrible. Now we are very ****ed. We don't have any wingers on this team.
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This. Not to mention Jones got 4 million per year. In what world is Mueller overpaid at $2,5 million? He's got more potential than Jones anyway. Mueller is going to bounce back and this is going to bite our ***** for sure.
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Yes, but we just got Mueller back. Why wait 2 years and give up now when he can actually play? Just ****ing dumb, just dumb!
Parenteau has been playing with JT and had good numbers on his line , like Ivan said i'm not sure i want him with the Avs . I'm scare that Parenteau may have "the Rob Brown syndrome" .
Yeah, he's also slow and he'll probably ask over 4.5mil. I really hope we stay clear.
Mueller is a great guy with tremendous work ethic, but his injuries were just limiting him too much. Probably the better move for the organization to let him walk.
This is stupid stupid stupid!! Qualify him to a one year deal for $1 million. He is not in a position to ask for anything more than that after his injury history. If he doesn't want to sign and the Avs are unwilling to budge than trade his rights for at least a draft pick, but don't let him go for nothing!! I bet he could have fetched at least a third rounder, or a mid-tier prospect. He showed flashes when he came back last season. It took him a while to get his legs, but when he did, he was really hustling which was something that was missing even when he was on fire for us in 2010.
Horrible asset management right here. I've been for the most part fairly positive about Sherman's tenure (minus the coaching situation), but this is just really dumb. Yes, he could very well get injured again. But the Avs have more than enough cap space to take that risk. I just don't get it.
EDIT: I forgot that to qualify a player you have to give him at least the same salary he was earning. My bad. I guess that changes the landscape a little bit. I hope we can still sign him for less than that, as I doubt any team out there would pay him what he was previously earning, but with this poor UFA class it is possible. Either way, I still think he is a good player and if healthy a good asset to the team. I know that's a big IF, but even at 2.5, with the Avs cap space it's worth it. Now if we go out and sign Semin or Parise I will **** and probably not miss him at all.
Last edited by Chileiceman: 06-25-2012 at 06:34 PM.
Let's get a guy we can pencil into the lineup and count on for the entire season. Go back to last preseason's threads and 90% of you guys had Peter Mueller penciled into the first or second line. Don't you think that had a BIG effect on their season? I do.
Free Agency needs to come quick for some of you guys. I'm excited to possibly add a player who we can count on night in and night out.
And for Peter Mueller's sake, let the guy go out and grab as much money as he can. It's not out of the question this could be his last season in the NHL. Hope it's not, but if it is then let him go to the free market and get as MUCH money as he can for retirement and post-NHL health care.
This is stupid stupid stupid!! Qualify him to a one year deal for $1 million. He is not in a position to ask for anything more than that after his injury history. If he doesn't want to sign and the Avs are unwilling to budge than trade his rights for at least a draft pick, but don't let him go for nothing!! I bet he could have fetched at least a third rounder, or a mid-tier prospect. He showed flashes when he came back last season. It took him a while to get his legs, but when he did, he was really hustling which was something that was missing even when he was on fire for us in 2010.
Horrible asset management right here. I've been for the most part fairly positive about Sherman's tenure (minus the coaching situation), but this is just really dumb. Yes, he could very well get injured again. But the Avs have more than enough cap space to take that risk. I just don't get it.
I don't think you understand the rules behind qualifying offers...
Well he takes risks with his trades, but with Mueller? He actually waited 2 years to get Mueller healthy and now he won't re-sign him? I mean, why? Why wait 2 years and then let him go for free? Damnn..
Well he takes risks with his trades, but with Mueller? He actually waited 2 years to get Mueller healthy and now he won't re-sign him? I mean, why? Why wait 2 years and then let him go for free? Damnn..
He was worth nothing in a trade so he couldn't get rid of him, but now that he is finally healthy you don't resign him just because he be a little overpaid? *forget you *Sherman or who ever is preventing him from spending money. We better sign a UFA.
Last edited by Frenchy: 06-25-2012 at 06:44 PM.
Reason: edited Cee Lo Green style ;-)
1. They know something about his medical condition we don't know about
2. Mueller wanted long-term deal, which we obviously can't give, given his medical condition over last 2 years.
3. He's not good enough for our team (which is something I don't believe)
4. They don't believe his potential anymore. Injuries have slowed him down too much etc. He's lost his potential.
5. Current management don't believe we need more depth on wings. They are ready to use Matt Duchene as one of the wingers.
6. Management is going to get something better than Mueller
Obviously Avs can't go into season with this current offense. It's just not good enough. Same with defense. Goaltending will be fine though. We need more quality to wing.
I would encourage everyone to stay away from the sunk cost fallacy. What patience the organization has shown over the past 2 years has absolutely nothing with their expectations for the future. It merely bought them the option to qualify/extend him, an option that expired at 5:30 pm today.
Moreover, they most certainly have more information than we do, so maybe his injury situation is worse than most think, or he simply wants to see if he CAN get >2.5mm.
That being said, I anticipate that they didn't want to sign at the 2.5 QO because they feel the expected benefit they will receive in the future (what the new contract would compensate for) including the risk of a career ending injury was too great. If he will take a pay cut to stay, I'd love to see him back next year on a short term contract.
On another note, I know he is a dinosaur, but what about a 1 yr contract to Whitney from the 'yotes as a 3rd line winger/veteran presence? I believe I saw somewhere he was UFA, although I could be mistaken. He certainly showed last year he could still play.
He was worth nothing in a trade so he couldn't get rid of him, but now that he is finally healthy you don't resign him just because he be a little overpaid? *forget you* Sherman or who ever is preventing him from spending money. We better sign a UFA.
He's not coming here to play 3rd line minutes. He was top player on Phoenix.
Last edited by Frenchy: 06-25-2012 at 06:46 PM.
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He was worth nothing in a trade so he couldn't get rid of him, but now that he is finally healthy you don't resign him just because he be a little overpaid? *forget you *Sherman or who ever is preventing him from spending money. We better sign a UFA.
This may have absolutely nothing to do with the monetary cost, but rather them being able to acquire another asset to play on the wings that could be relied upon more consistently to help the team. Basically, they may not be sold on the future of Mueller's health, and may just want to get someone else that they feel can stay healthy for the team.
Like I said before, I don't blame the team if that is their line of thinking, and I really do wish Peter Mueller the best of luck in the future. Hopefully he finds a home on some East Coast club and he is able to really light it up over there.
Yes, but we just got Mueller back. Why wait 2 years and give up now when he can actually play? Just ****ing dumb, just dumb!
You think the Avs wanted to be paying him during that time.
We all like to think of the Avs as being in support of Mueller, but lets be real here, once the Avs knew how bad the head issues were with Mueller, if someone had come along and told the cash strapped team that has taken the ice for the last 2 years that they would take Mueller off their hands for a pick, i.e. no salary, the Avs would have been all over it.
