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06-26-2012, 01:17 PM
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At least Mac had the numbers this year.

Connolly, Tim $4,750,000
Lombardi, Matthew $3,500,000
Armstrong, Colby $3,000,000
Komisarek, Mike $4,500,000
Disgusting: $15,750,000
All players we gave up only cap space for and we've had cap space to make deals by the time February rolls around every year.

3 of the 4 were acquired as UFAs and well UFAs get overpayed especially if your a bad team like the Leafs. Do people except they'd have taken a discount to play on a non-contending team like Toronto and be ridiculed by the media and fans all the time because of it as well as pay higher taxes in Ontario?

They're also all players that have bought the organization time to properly develop prospects.

Connolly, Lombardi and Armstrong only have 1 year remaining on their deals and can still be traded for assets. Heck, Lombardi already brought us an asset in Franson.

Komisarek is the worst of those contracts and I advocated against his signing when it was done but at least Burke was smart to take advantage of the Leafs budget and front load his contract which makes him more tradeable to non-cap teams as well as not make it a full NTC.

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06-26-2012, 01:22 PM
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Lupul Bozak Kessel
JVR Grabo MacA
Kulie Connolly Armstrong
Lombardi Stekel Brown

Unfortunately I can see this being the opening night roster
I would love to hear what's terrible with Bozak. Except for him being the 1st line guy.

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06-26-2012, 01:31 PM
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I would love to hear what's terrible with Bozak. Except for him being the 1st line guy.
Yup just don't like him as our 1C

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06-26-2012, 01:37 PM
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So excluding trades - how do Kadri/Frattin make this lineup?

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06-26-2012, 01:43 PM
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So excluding trades - how do Kadri/Frattin make this lineup?
Management showed with Gardiner last year, if you play your way onto the team in camp they'll make room for you. Obviously there will be injuries too. I'd really be shocked if at least one of the two of them isn't in the lineup opening night. Frattin should be, and I expect Kadri to have a good camp.

It makes absolutely no sense to keep guys like Lombardi and Armstrong in the lineup and have a better player in Frattin sit out.

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06-26-2012, 01:47 PM
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The reason Lupul got so good was because he switched positions. He and Carlyle have both stated this. I think putting him back at RW would be counter productive for him. I don't mind breaking him off of Kessel but keep him at LW.
He definitely scored more goals on the left side, one-timing passes from Kessel on the rush. But I don't think playing LW was the only reason he was successful. He also played a relatively physical game, and used his body effectively.

Putting him back to the RW might take away a bit production, but like I said, it will strongly aid his defensive game.

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06-26-2012, 01:51 PM
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Management showed with Gardiner last year, if you play your way onto the team in camp they'll make room for you. Obviously there will be injuries too. I'd really be shocked if at least one of the two of them isn't in the lineup opening night. Frattin should be, and I expect Kadri to have a good camp.

It makes absolutely no sense to keep guys like Lombardi and Armstrong in the lineup and have a better player in Frattin sit out.
Agree I'm just worried that Gardner was an anomaly - Baring injuries I can't see Lombo/Connolly/Army with their cap hits spending much time in the press box. Almost guaranteed that none of them would be put on waivers.

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06-26-2012, 02:21 PM
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Don't you think a LUPUL/VAN RIEMSDYK/FRATTIN line could bring a similar element to what the Kings had in WILLIAMS/KOPITAR/BROWN

Obviously there is a lot less proven talent on the Leafs end. But Lupul I think is better then Williams at least if he can play the way he did last season. Van Riemsdyk has a lot of potential and has the same build as Kopitar. As for Frattin, he is also built the same way as Brown both standing at 6'0 200 lbs. Brown was a physical force who could put the puck in the net I believe Frattin has the same style just not as polished. Frattin did throw 85 hits in 56 games.

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06-26-2012, 02:26 PM
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Don't you think a LUPUL/VAN RIEMSDYK/FRATTIN line could bring a similar element to what the Kings had in WILLIAMS/KOPITAR/BROWN

Obviously there is a lot less proven talent on the Leafs end. But Lupul I think is better then Williams at least if he can play the way he did last season. Van Riemsdyk has a lot of potential and has the same build as Kopitar. As for Frattin, he is also built the same way as Brown both standing at 6'0 200 lbs. Brown was a physical force who could put the puck in the net I believe Frattin has the same style just not as polished. Frattin did throw 85 hits in 56 games.

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A bit of a stretch I think. Does JVR even play C? I like the possibilities of that line if JVR can be an effective center but maybe too soon to compare these guys to the Kings dynamite playoff line. I also disagree that Lupul is better than Williams. The other two comparisons you make with Frattin and JVR are far too premature.

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06-26-2012, 02:29 PM
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A bit of a stretch I think. Does JVR even play C? I like the possibilities of that line if JVR can be an effective center but maybe too soon to compare these guys to the Kings dynamite playoff line. I also disagree that Lupul is better than Williams. The other two comparisons you make with Frattin and JVR are far too premature.
I totally agree its unfair to compare Van Riemsdyk & Frattin to Kopitar & Brown. However, they posses similar skill sets and body types. The potential is to have a line of similar style. NOT SAYING THEY ARE AS GOOD.

Also, according to Burke Van Riemsdyk has played centre all the way up to the NHL. But was transfered to wing cause of the depth at centre in Philadelphia. Leafs have coveted a big centre...Van Riemsdyk could be that guy.

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Why are people suggesting Lupul to RW? He hated it and said that they (Carlyle) never gave him the chance to play LW, and then when he did, he's an All-Star. People seem to forget that, and that he was drafted 7th OVR so he has the skill to keep playing like that.

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Whats the odds Kadri cracks the starting lineup opening night..

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Whats the odds Kadri cracks the starting lineup opening night..
I think pretty good. He's had a really good AHL career so far with a deep playoff run and seems to be putting it all together. We'll see how good of a camp he has though.

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06-26-2012, 02:49 PM
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A bit of a stretch I think. Does JVR even play C? I like the possibilities of that line if JVR can be an effective center but maybe too soon to compare these guys to the Kings dynamite playoff line. I also disagree that Lupul is better than Williams. The other two comparisons you make with Frattin and JVR are far too premature.
Plus this gives Toronto the opportunity to sign Parise as they will have a spot for him on top line on left side of Kessel. The two of them together would be electric. So fast! In an ideal world I'd have my forwards looking like this.

Parise Mueller Kessel
Lupul Van Riemsdyk Frattin
Ott Bozak Armstrong
Brown Zigomanis Parros


Mueller set to be a free agent. He's got the size and skill set and could really be a star still. He's been injury plagued lately. But if healthy Burke should take a crack at him.

Ott brings a gritty in your face style and would put little rats like Marchand on Boston in his place. No messing around with Ott on the ice. Who is also a great PK guy and has lots of leadership capabilities. Pairing him with the gritty Armstrong would be wicked. They could cycle all day and Armstrong if healthy is very effective as a 3rd line guy. Carlyle wants a control grinding style this line could be very good at shutting down top units.

Parros is essential in my mind. He is a feared big man in hokey and is a better player then Orr and Rosehill and Carlyle knows how to play him properly. Also a mustache line of Parros and Brown would be EPIC!!! Also, No way Lucic can torment the Leafs with Parros watching over. He'd keep him in check.

I chose Zigomanis over Steckel because of his experience. He's got a cup under his belt and Toronto is a young team that could use all the cup experience they can get.

Connolly can be sent down. Lombardi could be had for nothing a team could take a chance if hes healthy. Kulemin, Mac & Kadri can be packaged for defensive help or a true number 1 goalie.

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Yeah true. Hope he makes it and stays up. If he doesn't get knocked off the puck so easily, it be good

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06-26-2012, 02:57 PM
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Why are people suggesting Lupul to RW? He hated it and said that they (Carlyle) never gave him the chance to play LW, and then when he did, he's an All-Star. People seem to forget that, and that he was drafted 7th OVR so he has the skill to keep playing like that.
Where did he say that he hated it?

He was stuck on the 3rd line in Anaheim behind Perry and Selanne, so he asked to play LW so that he could play in the top-6 but Carlyle didn't think he had the skill to play on his off-wing.

But he played his entire life before Toronto at the RW and was drafted as a RW. MacArthur and JVR have always played the left side, so it might make sense to try him again on the right side.

Oh, and Lupul and MacArthur played together in junior...another reason why I'd like to try a Mac - Grabo - Lupul line.

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06-26-2012, 03:21 PM
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"I know the opportunity I’m getting in Toronto I never would have had in Anaheim. Randy Carlyle just didn’t see me as that type of player,” Lupul said in November. “You want to prove people wrong. (Carlyle) didn’t give me any opportunity on left wing. His words to me were, ‘You’re not able to play left wing in this league.’ It’s something I’ve worked on since I got to Toronto, and now I feel more comfortable on left than I ever was on right.”
He likes LW a lot more than RW. Seems to work better there also.

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06-26-2012, 03:27 PM
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Lupul Bozak Kessel
JVR Grab Kulemin
Mac Con Frattin
Armstrong Steckel Brown
Kadri
Lambo
Komarov
4th line sucks. No PK upgrade. Brown is small. Armstrong is slow and always injured. Steckel is slow and poor PK. Connolly as 3rd line centre is horrible. No grit or checking and crappy on FO. Mac is miscast on 3rd line too small. Frattin deserves a shot.

Bozak is not a first line centre. Slap JvR at centre or try

JVR Kadri Frattin as 2nd line
Mac Grabo Kulemin as checking line.

Still hope and prayer on 3rd line. Really 3rd and 4th line are a shambles to play Carlyle defensive system, offensive cycling system.

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Just for fun (because I know there's basically no chance of it happening), but if Jagr ended up becoming a free agent, I think it'd be an interesting experiment to sign him for the 2nd line. I'd only sign him if we managed to dump MacArthur somewhere.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabo - Jagr
Kulemin - Connolly - Frattin
Armstrong - Steckel - Brown

I think Jagr would be a good mentor for the likes of Kulemin, Frattin, and JVR (like he might've been for him in Philly).

I'm bored so forgive me

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Close to line up

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Still need some size/toughness added.


Potential. Lineup if they threw JVR at centre

Lupul - JVR. - Kessel
MacArthur - Grabovski - Frattin
Kulemin - Connolly - Kadri
Brown - Steckel - Armstrong

Bozak
Lombardi
Colborne
D'Amigo
Komarov




Trades a comin
Based on everything I have read, JVR will play centre if he can make the jump. The only switch here is that Bozak moves to the 3rd line centre and Connolly is out. I would be surprized to see Gaustad added either and maybe even Penner

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as of right now this is what looks best to me (as well):

Lupul VanReimsdyk Kessel
McCarthur Grabovsky Kulemin
Frattin Bozak -----
Steckel Connolly ----

if we get the #1 center then JVR goes back to LW

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Based on everything I have read, JVR will play centre if he can make the jump. The only switch here is that Bozak moves to the 3rd line centre and Connolly is out. I would be surprized to see Gaustad added either and maybe even Penner
Lupul-JVR-Kessel
Penner-Grabo-Frattin
Kulemin-Gaustad-Kadri
Steckel-Bozak-Brown

13/14
MacArthur
Armstrong

Now that is the size you want up front with Penner and Gaustad. Just go get the 2 big guys along with JVR and you have gone from Smurfs to a sizable lineup with teeth

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as of right now this is what looks best to me (as well):

Lupul VanReimsdyk Kessel
McCarthur Grabovsky Kulemin
Frattin Bozak -----
Steckel Connolly ----

if we get the #1 center then JVR goes back to LW
Why have Steckel LW when he's best on face-offs? I'd like to see Kadri in Kulemin's spot and Kulemin 3rd with Brown and a signing like Parros on 4th line wings with Steckel center. Basically there is no spot or need for LACK.

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Plus this gives Toronto the opportunity to sign Parise as they will have a spot for him on top line on left side of Kessel. The two of them together would be electric. So fast! In an ideal world I'd have my forwards looking like this.

Parise Mueller Kessel
Lupul Van Riemsdyk Frattin
Ott Bozak Armstrong
Brown Zigomanis Parros


Mueller set to be a free agent. He's got the size and skill set and could really be a star still. He's been injury plagued lately. But if healthy Burke should take a crack at him.

Ott brings a gritty in your face style and would put little rats like Marchand on Boston in his place. No messing around with Ott on the ice. Who is also a great PK guy and has lots of leadership capabilities. Pairing him with the gritty Armstrong would be wicked. They could cycle all day and Armstrong if healthy is very effective as a 3rd line guy. Carlyle wants a control grinding style this line could be very good at shutting down top units.

Parros is essential in my mind. He is a feared big man in hokey and is a better player then Orr and Rosehill and Carlyle knows how to play him properly. Also a mustache line of Parros and Brown would be EPIC!!! Also, No way Lucic can torment the Leafs with Parros watching over. He'd keep him in check.

I chose Zigomanis over Steckel because of his experience. He's got a cup under his belt and Toronto is a young team that could use all the cup experience they can get.

Connolly can be sent down. Lombardi could be had for nothing a team could take a chance if hes healthy. Kulemin, Mac & Kadri can be packaged for defensive help or a true number 1 goalie.

Check Capgeek. Mueller as well as Latrendese are only RFA's and they will be tendered more than likely

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Check Capgeek. Mueller as well as Latrendese are only RFA's and they will be tendered more than likely
They weren't qualified.

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