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Who is the best 3C now that J Staal is a 2C?

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06-26-2012, 09:37 AM
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Bergy is your #2
If you're talking about ES TOI. I consider Bergeron the #1 center. He's better than Krejci in every facet of the game and he gets more ice time overall.

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06-26-2012, 09:42 AM
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If we get some depth, Frans Nielsen can become one of the best third liners in the league. He maintains an even +/- despite playing against team's top lines every nightg. He also starts alot of his shifts in the defensive zone, and can play both the PP and the PK effectively.

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06-26-2012, 09:46 AM
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Staal has been playing #2/#1 levels of ES ice time for 5 years now. The only thing that's really made him not a #1 is the PP time.
and linemates.

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06-26-2012, 09:47 AM
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If you're talking about ES TOI. I consider Bergeron the #1 center. He's better than Krejci in every facet of the game and he gets more ice time overall.
Staal was a 1/2C with a healthy Malkin and Crosby on his team?

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Holy crap Jordan Staal was the best 3rd line center?

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06-26-2012, 09:54 AM
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Just to clear up the Bruins situation for those that keep asking. The Bruins 3rd line center is Chris Kelly. Seguin and Peverley both play RW full time with Boston.

Kelly, Bolland, and ROR are probably the top 3 in some order right now. I think Stoll makes the top 5.

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Bergeron is Boston's #1 Center. Get out of there with that name.
Nobody said he wasn't.

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Bergy is your #2
I would consider Bergy our 1a or 1b actually. He called Staal "best shutdown center in the league"

I simply flat out disagree. Also again, Staal was second among forwards in ice time for Pitt.

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Staal was a 1/2C with a healthy Malkin and Crosby on his team?
What?

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Couturier centered Philly's 4th line last year, I think.
Yes he did, and as a Flyers fan I'm well aware of that. I put him in there because I think and hope he will see third line minutes this year.

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I think Jordan Staal was widely regarded as the best shutdown center in the NHL for the past 4 years. Atleast he was IMO. Now that he'll be a 2C on the Canes, who takes his place as the best 3rd Line Center in the NHL?

Being a Hawks fan I get to watch Dave Bolland for 82 games and I think he's been one of the best for about 3 years.
lmao what?

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The first guy I thought of was Bolland.

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Last year in Pittsburgh, Jordan Staal had 15:25 per game at even strength. That's more any other forward in Pittsburgh except Malkin - yes, more even strength ice time than James Neal and Sidney Crosby.

He never was a "3C".

In fact, Jordan Staal was 22nd in the entire NHL - among centers - for even strength ice time per game.

...and he wasn't even close to the "best shutdown forward".

Get facts right, then make threads.
Maybe that was because he was the 2C for 75% of the season...

Now who needs to get their facts right?

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Brian Boyle. Lengthy 6 foot 7 center who can control the puck down low. Untapped offensive potential.

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Horcoff does very well with tough minutes - he takes the tough defensive responsibilities and does pretty well with them, which allows the kids sheltered minutes.

Without Horcoff, the Oilers would be far, far worse, because they'd be sending Eberle and RNH up against elite competition, and those two players, while talented offensively, can't hold their own defensively yet. Horcoff isn't a poor choice.

Bolland is hardly Sedin Kryptonite

Bolland should very well be up there for the title of best 3C - he's probably top-5 in the league at what he does - but his "ability" to put up points in a small sample size in the playoffs isn't sustainable.
Um, that plus 8 isnt exactly chicken feed, especially when you consider he played almost exclusively against the Sedins. From that number alone, how could anyone ascertain that the Sedins had much if any success against him

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Maybe that was because he was the 2C for 75% of the season...

Now who needs to get their facts right?
Staal had more even strength ice time per game than Crosby. Meaning, that accounts for players missing time, by dividing their total even strength ice time by their total games played.

Now, let's assume that's because they eased Crosby back into the lineup. How does that explain Staal getting more ESTOI than James Neal?

How about the last season where Malkin, Crosby, and Staal were all healthy?

In '09-'10, Crosby played 81 games, Malkin 67, and Staal all 82. That's close enough.

Here's the Penguins forwards for that year, arranged by average TOI/g at even strength:
1) Crosby, 16:03/game
2) Malkin, 15:38/game
3) Staal, 14:08/game
4) Kunitz, 13:54/game
5) Guerin, 13:06/game
6) Fedotenko, 12:55/game

It seems to me that if a player is top-3 among all forwards on his team for ice time, he's not really a 3rd liner. Hey, that's just me and numbers though, maybe you have a different idea.

For comparison, here's the top-3 ESTOI/g forwards from other teams that year:

Chicago - Toews, Kane, Hossa
Vancouver - Sedin, Sedin, Kesler
Philadelphia - Richards, Carter, Gagne
Boston - Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen
Washington - Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin
San Jose - Heatley, Thornton, Marleau

Yep, chock full of 3rd liners..

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Staal wasn't a 'real' third liner...his role was much bigger than that.

But he still was on the technical 'third line' with legitimate 'third line' wingers outside of times when injuries pushed him up to the 2nd line role. Even then he often was still attached to Cooke and Kennedy, they just got increased ice time.

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On the opposite side of the spectrum, Winnipeg says hi.

Although I guess Jim Slater was technically our 3C. He should be our 4C but we never managed to put together a third line that counted for anything.

Burmistrov and Antropov both got around 13 goals this year, bouncing back and forth from the 2nd and 3rd line.

Jim Slater also got 13 goals this year.

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06-26-2012, 12:18 PM
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It's nice to see Chris Kelly finally getting recognition now that he's in a big market.

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Isn't J.Staal a 1C now? I remember reading that the plan is to move Eric to the wing and have Jordan be his centerman.
It's a possibility, but one JR said he'd leave up to the coach.

Chances are, we're going to start the season trying it out. At least until the first home game of the season (against the Rangers). Because you can't buy PR like that.

But I think for most of the year, and for the good of the team, it'll be Staal-Staal down the middle.

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If you're thinking solely in offensive terms... there are better options, but if you are thinking in terms of what he brings to the table in all aspects, then Stoll has to be up there. He was "demoted" from the 2nd line to 3rd once we got Richards... and obviously his offensive production went down this past year.

But he was an absolute anchor for us. Huge on the PK all year long, taking numerous critical faceoffs, finished his checks hard and often, and still chipped in with some timely points.

And thats why we just re-signed him for 3 years. And basically ended Loktionov's chances of making the Kings. That Lubo for Greene/Stoll trade continues to look better and better for us; glad I was wrong about it.

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What is kind of funny, is that before this trade, I doubt more than 1 or two people would have even mentioned Sutter in a thread like this..and those would have been Canes fans who would be called homers.
Agreed and that's a shame.


I'd say Couturier, if left as a 3C (which he shouldn't be) will be the best at that role by a fair margin very quickly.

As of guys who played at the level they did last year all year

Bolland
whoever Colorado thinks is their 3C
Peverly
Sutter
Filpulla when he's at C

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