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06-27-2012, 12:27 PM
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That is the "Catch 22" Burke is in. No goalie = No Schultz. Give up Gardiner to get Luongo = No Schultz.
There is no catch. It's simple really.

You DONT trade for Luongo.

You keep both Gardiner and Schultz.

Easy and by far the best decision.

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06-27-2012, 12:29 PM
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for all we know justin schultz could be the next matt gilroy
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nash's contract is nuts

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06-27-2012, 08:52 PM
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Or...

Nash to NYR

Schultz to Vancouver

Luongo to Florida

Bobby Ryan to Philly

Doan to Montreal

Parise to Pitt

Suter to Carolina

and the Leafs will end up with Dustin Penner @ 4mill/year
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There's the real threat that the Leafs could very well be one of the worst teams in the league next year, not due to anything other then lack of improvement and other teams making large additions to their roster by not being afraid of term and dollars.

This is the most likely scenario because it's what has been the most consistent result over the last 5 years.

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06-27-2012, 09:53 PM
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nash's contract is nuts
It's terrible. If he made that in Toronto it would be considered one of the worst. Guy has a top 5 NHl cap hit.

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06-27-2012, 10:10 PM
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Paying Nash 7.8/year and giving up the farm would be stupid.

Would only take luongo if Canucks took Komi straight up.

Shultz would be nice but doubtful.

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06-28-2012, 04:50 PM
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JVR dont need Nash.

We are not the dumping ground for everyone's bad contracts.JVR will score the same amount as Nash,is younger and cheaper.We will sign Schultz and no one wants Luongo,there is no market for that anchor contract.Luongo cannot handle the pressure of To. and he will not be the saviour.It is a strike year and he is in decline now.

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06-28-2012, 04:53 PM
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Nash - don't want him.

Luongo will make us a playoff team right away, however not will to sell the farm for him. A package of komi + mac or kulemin + pick/mid prospect is all I'd give.
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I'd be happy passing on all but getting Schultz

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06-28-2012, 05:16 PM
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I'd be happy passing on all but getting Schultz
Same here... and GAWD, please no Nash.

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Same here... and GAWD, please no Nash.
why? Nash would be a god here

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why? Nash would be a god here
no he wouldn't. over the past three years he has only produced at a Kessel level despite being older and more mature and making a lot more money. He's had bad linemates but no worse than what Kessel has played with. He's played four playoff games and is not a complete player. That he would be as effective a player on a better team is just speculation at this point; it's not like he made Columbus better at all.

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06-28-2012, 05:41 PM
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I think doan would look good as a leaf

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no he wouldn't. over the past three years he has only produced at a Kessel level despite being older and more mature and making a lot more money. He's had bad linemates but no worse than what Kessel has played with. He's played four playoff games and is not a complete player. That he would be as effective a player on a better team is just speculation at this point; it's not like he made Columbus better at all.
we need size. Kessel's production didn't explode until Lupul arrived. And I could care less what Nash makes. In a couple years, Kessel will be making $7+ as well.

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06-28-2012, 06:09 PM
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we need size. Kessel's production didn't explode until Lupul arrived. And I could care less what Nash makes. In a couple years, Kessel will be making $7+ as well.
And Lupul's career was in the toilet untill the second he played with Kessel.

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why? Nash would be a god here
He's a god in the media's eyes because he's hiding in Columbus. If he put up the same production in Toronto, these media guys would be ripping him apart for his salary.

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no he wouldn't. over the past three years he has only produced at a Kessel level despite being older and more mature and making a lot more money. He's had bad linemates but no worse than what Kessel has played with. He's played four playoff games and is not a complete player. That he would be as effective a player on a better team is just speculation at this point; it's not like he made Columbus better at all.
Kessel produced at the same level as Nash until he got a legitimate top line threat in Lupul. Nash hasn't had that, give Nash more offensive support and he becomes more dangerous. I'm not for gettting him because it would be such a gigantic headache in terms of assets but running:

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Nash

for the future would make us a playoff team and if Reimer returned to 10-11 form then we might justbe a cup contender. I'm against the Schultz signing because if Rielly pans out we end up wiht a very soft defense of people that move the puck well and can put up points but cnat push people out of the crease.

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Kessel produced at the same level as Nash until he got a legitimate top line threat in Lupul. Nash hasn't had that, give Nash more offensive support and he becomes more dangerous. I'm not for gettting him because it would be such a gigantic headache in terms of assets but running:

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Nash

for the future would make us a playoff team and if Reimer returned to 10-11 form then we might justbe a cup contender. I'm against the Schultz signing because if Rielly pans out we end up wiht a very soft defense of people that move the puck well and can put up points but cnat push people out of the crease.
beauty top 6. Bozak will eventually be upgraded. Probably not this year though

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I would say since Corey was resigned, Luongo will be on the move shortly to FLA in my opinion.

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06-28-2012, 09:14 PM
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I would say since Corey was resigned, Luongo will be on the move shortly to FLA in my opinion.
Which opens the door to get Theodore from Florida as a veteran back up for Reimer.

He's played in Montreal too so pressure shouldn't be any problem.

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You may be right...Schultz to the Nucks would hurt, but what can you do if he has his mind set.
Ok with the rest, trades are going to be the thing to fill our holes. Ryan would be too costly, we need to get a centre with those assets.

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Nash to NYR

Schultz to Vancouver

Luongo to Florida

Bobby Ryan to Philly

Doan to Montreal

Parise to Pitt

Suter to Carolina

and the Leafs will end up with Dustin Penner @ 4mill/year
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Which opens the door to get Theodore from Florida as a veteran back up for Reimer.

He's played in Montreal too so pressure shouldn't be any problem.
Somehow I'd be surprised at that. If the Leafs are going to trade assets then it's not likely to be for a vet backup. Those can be found in the UFA pool for free.

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06-28-2012, 09:49 PM
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Anything more then a 2nd rounder or Blacker and a cap dump like Komisarek for Luongo is overpayment on the Leafs part.

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And Lupul's career was in the toilet untill the second he played with Kessel.
This is the key right here, much more important than the marginal improvement in Kessel's numbers. They clicked and definitely helped eachother, but right now the stats make it clear that one "needs" the other and the other doesn't "need" anyone to score some points.

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This is the key right here, much more important than the marginal improvement in Kessel's numbers. They clicked and definitely helped eachother, but right now the stats make it clear that one "needs" the other and the other doesn't "need" anyone to score some points.
Kessel is an elite talent who wa due to see a bump in his stats. The year previous I thought he didn't get nearly enough credit for getting 32 goals, 64 points with a horrible Bozak and Joey Crabb. That's just terrific with the crap he played with. More impressive than player getting 80+ points with stars on their lines.

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