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06-26-2012, 12:51 PM
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Antropov might not be a bad option on a 1 year deal.

He's good in front of the net and he's a big body.

He's a perennial 40 point guy, which isn't a downgrade on Gagner's production.


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06-26-2012, 12:52 PM
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meh not as scary as you think considering Smyth, Paajarvi and Hartikainen would also be in the mix for roster spots. Adding another 1st+ for Gagner can make me digest Horc in top 6 or a player like Jokinen\Antropov on Oilers

Are we even re-signing Smyth?

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06-26-2012, 12:54 PM
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Every draft seems to be deep right after the most recent one.
I hadn't noticed it... it actually seemed to me that people would keep saying that the next draft was always crap. I don't recall anyone with any real prospect knowledge saying this was supposed to be a good draft... just defense heavy.

As early as last season people have been billing the 2013 draft as a big one.

All that said, I have limited knowledge on prospects unless its there draft year, so I'm going entirely on what I've heard in the media.

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06-26-2012, 12:55 PM
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I hadn't noticed it... it actually seemed to me that people would keep saying that the next draft was always crap. I don't recall anyone with any real prospect knowledge saying this was supposed to be a good draft... just defense heavy.

As early as last season people have been billing the 2013 draft as a big one.

All that said, I have limited knowledge on prospects unless its there draft year, so I'm going entirely on what I've heard in the media.

I would even doubt it that the 2013 draft could be 2003 all over again.

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06-26-2012, 12:57 PM
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Antropov might not be a bad option on a 1 year deal.

He's good in front of the net and he's a big body.

He's a perennial 40 point guy, which isn't a downgrade on Gagner's production.

I wouldn't mind it. Probably would help Yakupov a bit too.

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06-26-2012, 12:59 PM
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Are we even re-signing Smyth?
That is why I said "in the mix" and not a 'lock'
I honestly dont see a need for him unless we plan on running with 3 scoring lines.

Hartikainen- Nuge- Eberle
Hall-Horcoff-Hemsky
Smyth-Gagner-Yakupov

or even 4 ... all out offense:

Paajarvi-Lander-Omark

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06-26-2012, 01:02 PM
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That is why I said "in the mix" and not a 'lock'
I honestly dont see a need for him unless we plan on running with 3 scoring lines.

Hartikainen- Nuge- Eberle
Hall-Horcoff-Hemsky
Smyth-Gagner-Yakupov

or even 4 ... all out offense:

Paajarvi-Lander-Omark
I thought Tom Renney had been let go by the Oilers.

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06-26-2012, 01:10 PM
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That is why I said "in the mix" and not a 'lock'
I honestly dont see a need for him unless we plan on running with 3 scoring lines.

Hartikainen- Nuge- Eberle
Hall-Horcoff-Hemsky
Smyth-Gagner-Yakupov

or even 4 ... all out offense:

Paajarvi-Lander-Omark
5 million or not. If Hemsky is sucking goats again then he's on the 3rd line.

PRV/Harti-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
PRV/Harti-Horcoff-Hemsky
Eager-Belanger-Jones

I dont want Horcoff to see the ice when the Oilers are on the power play next year. I can't believe the Oilers had the #3 PP with Horcoff getting 3 min a night on there.

Gagner will probably get somewhere close to 4 million. I'd be fine with that as long as its short term

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06-26-2012, 01:15 PM
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Trade him when? if you match the OS, you can't trade for a year.
Before July 1st so he can't sign an OS.

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06-26-2012, 01:17 PM
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5 million or not. If Hemsky is sucking goats again then he's on the 3rd line.

PRV/Harti-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
PRV/Harti-Horcoff-Hemsky
Eager-Belanger-Jones

I dont want Horcoff to see the ice when the Oilers are on the power play next year. I can't believe the Oilers had the #3 PP with Horcoff getting 3 min a night on there.

Gagner will probably get somewhere close to 4 million. I'd be fine with that as long as its short term
I was previously against the Ott trade, but if bringing him in keeps Horcoff off the PP, I'm all for it. You'll see that #3 jump to #1 fairly quickly if Ott and Yakupov are out there over Horcoff and Belanger.

Ott on a line with RNH even strength seems to make a lot of sense considering how solid he is at face off's and is a royal pain to play against.

With the deal taking this long, I'm guessing Gagner is wanting at least $4M over long term.

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06-26-2012, 01:18 PM
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Before July 1st so he can't sign an OS.
When can teams starting sending a offer sheet?

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2013 looks real deep though even better than 2012.

Nathan Mackinnon
Seth Jones
Ryan Pulock
Alexsander Barkov
Sean Monahan
Hunter Shinkaruk
Rasmus Ristolainen
Curtis Lazar
Anthony Duclair
Eric Roy
Max Domi
Alex Forsberg
Kerby Rychel
Jonathan Drouin


All these players look to be top players in the long run.
They said the exact same thing this time last year about this year's draft, and the same thing the year before that. True story.

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06-26-2012, 01:19 PM
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When can teams starting sending a offer sheet?
I would assume July 1st as that is when contracts expire and the UFA/RFA period begins. Prior to that would be considered tampering.

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06-26-2012, 01:22 PM
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If we plan on moving Hall to C, I'd let Gagner walk as long as we'd be getting a 1st and 3rd back from a team that's good but not Presidents trophy good. My first preference would be to trade him for something that we could use now, but if that's how it plays out then fine. That's mean that we'd walk into next years draft with a pair of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. That would give us all kinds of ammo to either trade up or to stockpile the prospect cupboard even more (this time on BPA's please).

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They said the exact same thing this time last year about this year's draft, and the same thing the year before that. True story.
Agreed.

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I wouldn't mind it. Probably would help Yakupov a bit too.
I was thinking the same. Antropov has always kinda been that fall back guy in my mind. Not just this year.

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Before July 1st so he can't sign an OS.
Is there a reason we didn't just take him to arbitration? Or were they worried it would destroy the relationship?

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06-26-2012, 01:26 PM
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If we plan on moving Hall to C, I'd let Gagner walk as long as we'd be getting a 1st and 3rd back from a team that's good but not Presidents trophy good. My first preference would be to trade him for something that we could use now, but if that's how it plays out then fine. That's mean that we'd walk into next years draft with a pair of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. That would give us all kinds of ammo to either trade up or to stockpile the prospect cupboard even more (this time on BPA's please).
15th overall and a 3rd for Gagner isn't exactly what I'd want back for him.

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06-26-2012, 01:29 PM
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I am thinking if a team gives him an offer sheet they will be a mid tier team. A pick around 10-15 and a 3rd. So the question is, is he worth more than a mid 1st in a trade. I say he is.

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Unless he gets traded for immediate defensive help, I'm confident the Oilers will sign him without any issues.

The Duchene deal set a guide as to where the salary is, now the Oilers just have to work out a term. 3 or 4 years gets them into UFA territory, but could potentially be a very good deal in year 3 and 4 if he manages to click with some of the talent here.

If we get him signed for anything less than $3M a season, we are laughing.

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15th overall and a 3rd for Gagner isn't exactly what I'd want back for him.
Next years draft is said to be filled with centers so I'd take that chance.

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I am thinking if a team gives him an offer sheet they will be a mid tier team. A pick around 10-15 and a 3rd. So the question is, is he worth more than a mid 1st in a trade. I say he is.
I'd take it if the trade market wasn't that hot.

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Next years draft is said to be filled with centers so I'd take that chance.



I'd take it if the trade market wasn't that hot.
LOL. Just like this draft full of centers and then our head scout says the best guy is maybe a #2? And lots of others say there were no top pairing guys?

I want immediate help for Gagner not something that's going to take 3-5 years from next year.

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I was previously against the Ott trade, but if bringing him in keeps Horcoff off the PP, I'm all for it. You'll see that #3 jump to #1 fairly quickly if Ott and Yakupov are out there over Horcoff and Belanger.

Ott on a line with RNH even strength seems to make a lot of sense considering how solid he is at face off's and is a royal pain to play against.

With the deal taking this long, I'm guessing Gagner is wanting at least $4M over long term.
I could see that. Besides a big raise for him, it also makes the organization commit to giving him a bigger role than starting him on the 3rd line again and making him work his way up

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LOL. Just like this draft full of centers and then our head scout says the best guy is maybe a #2? And lots of others say there were no top pairing guys?

I want immediate help for Gagner not something that's going to take 3-5 years from next year.
Agreed. Sexy draft picks every year is getting old. I want established NHL players on this roster(with the exception of Yakupov). This rebuild has got to be almost over

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06-26-2012, 01:58 PM
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2007 10-20
B.Sutter
A.Esposito

2008
Hodgson
Boychuk
Colborne

2009
Holland
Leblanc
Kreider
Josefson

2010
Hishon
Watson

2011
Miller
McNeil


All the centers taken 10-20 starting from the year Gagner was picked to now.

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2007 10-20
B.Sutter
A.Esposito

2008
Hodgson
Boychuk
Colborne

2009
Holland
Leblanc
Kreider
Josefson

2010
Hishon
Watson

2011
Miller
McNeil


All the centers taken 10-20 starting from the year Gagner was picked to now.
Wow that's not very nice to look at at all.

I don't care about Gagner's height. My issue is he gets knocked around like crazy. If he was stronger or more stable. Whatever you call it he could be effective defensively. I'll take that with his 50 points a year.

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Unless he gets traded for immediate defensive help, I'm confident the Oilers will sign him without any issues.

The Duchene deal set a guide as to where the salary is, now the Oilers just have to work out a term. 3 or 4 years gets them into UFA territory, but could potentially be a very good deal in year 3 and 4 if he manages to click with some of the talent here.

If we get him signed for anything less than $3M a season, we are laughing.

People keep referring to this, and I'm not picking on you personally because I know you just hinted at the notion, but too many fans on here want Gagner shipped for some defensive help. I really don't understand people's reasoning behind this move. Do you guys not realize that if we deal Gagner for a dman then that leaves us with a deep hole to fill in the #2 center spot. I know Gagner hasn't lived up to his potential thus far but if we ship him out who are we going to replace him with? Sure if Horcoff can get his game back to where it was in his prime he'd be a good candidate but I just don't see that happening. Lander is not quite ready to step into that role yet and other than Jokinen, there's no decent UFA's available on the market. So unless we can package Gagner for a decent center with some size I think the best option would be to sign him for at least one more year at around 3M per and take it from there.

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