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06-26-2012, 12:29 PM
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Leafs/Blues

With the Leafs adding JVR to their top they added some badly needed size to the top 6 but it's not enough I think they still need one more big body on that 2nd and i think Stewart could be a target so here is what I propose I don't think it's too bad actually.

To Blues Clarke Macarthur + either Cody Franson Or Carl Gunnarsson

To Leafs Chris Stewart + 2013 2nd round pick

Wh the Leafs do it they add another big body to the top 6 and all but complete the wing position on the top 2 lines. add another solid pick to the draft pick pile

The Blues do it because they get a player that has proven he can play in the top 6 and actually outscored stewart last year and their choice of either gunnar or Franson both solid young D.

Leafs new top 6

Lupul-Bozak-Kessel

JVR-Grabovoski-Stewart

Gotta love that 2nd line

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06-26-2012, 12:34 PM
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i love it. I'd still do it if they took out the second round pick

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And the Blues turn it down once again. This same offer is proposed weekly.

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06-26-2012, 12:43 PM
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Blues are pretty stacked on wing, that's the only reason we'd even contemplate trading Stewart. So Mcarther is pretty redundant. Not sure why we have our 2nd rounder in there at all. If a deal did go down I'd hope it would be something like Gunnarson and a 2nd for Stewart and a late pick. I'd much rather hold onto Stewart though.

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06-26-2012, 01:22 PM
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I don't really see how this proposal improves the Blues. Even if the value is close, I don't see any reason they do this.

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06-26-2012, 01:25 PM
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Blues are pretty stacked on wing, that's the only reason we'd even contemplate trading Stewart. So Mcarther is pretty redundant. Not sure why we have our 2nd rounder in there at all. If a deal did go down I'd hope it would be something like Gunnarson and a 2nd for Stewart and a late pick. I'd much rather hold onto Stewart though.
Stewart isn't worth Gunner + a 2nd rounder.

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06-26-2012, 01:25 PM
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I'm wondering if the Blues would (and Leafs for that matter) would consider Gunnarsson and Frattin for Stewart and Fairchild.

I see this as

Stewart>Gunnar
Frattin>Fairchild

Stewart becomes a top 6 winger for TO, Frattin fits into the 3rd line for the Blues. Gunnarsson would probably become the Blues best LH D, but definitely top 4 ahead of Cole or Russell. Fairchild gives the Leafs a D replacement, he had a pretty solid first season in pro hockey with 8 goals, 34 points in 68 games in the AHL, which would have made him the highest scoring blueliner on the Marlies.

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06-26-2012, 01:26 PM
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Stewart isn't worth Gunner + a 2nd rounder.
The Blues don't want to trade Stewart. Gunner is a middle pairing defenseman something the Blues don't need. Really there is no deal to be made between St Louis and Toronto.

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06-26-2012, 01:33 PM
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I'm wondering if the Blues would (and Leafs for that matter) would consider Gunnarsson and Frattin for Stewart and Fairchild.

I see this as

Stewart>Gunnar
Frattin>Fairchild

Stewart becomes a top 6 winger for TO, Frattin fits into the 3rd line for the Blues. Gunnarsson would probably become the Blues best LH D, but definitely top 4 ahead of Cole or Russell. Fairchild gives the Leafs a D replacement, he had a pretty solid first season in pro hockey with 8 goals, 34 points in 68 games in the AHL, which would have made him the highest scoring blueliner on the Marlies.
The Blues don't need a top 4 defenseman. The Blues need a top pairing LH defenseman. Something Gunner is not. Personally I would rather go into the season with Cole and give him the chance to succeed. Gunner is just not the player we need. Stewart's value is currently low if he regains form he is work a hell of a lot more then Gunner.

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06-26-2012, 01:33 PM
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Blues are pretty stacked on wing, that's the only reason we'd even contemplate trading Stewart. So Mcarther is pretty redundant. Not sure why we have our 2nd rounder in there at all. If a deal did go down I'd hope it would be something like Gunnarson and a 2nd for Stewart and a late pick. I'd much rather hold onto Stewart though.
Gunnarson + a 3rd is fair imo for Stewart.

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I would agree on something close to that, the Blue's don't need any more wingers, they have enough. All they really need is defense.

I would love to see Stewart in a Leafs jersey!

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I'm wondering if the Blues would (and Leafs for that matter) would consider Gunnarsson and Frattin for Stewart and Fairchild.

I see this as

Stewart>Gunnar
Frattin>Fairchild

Stewart becomes a top 6 winger for TO, Frattin fits into the 3rd line for the Blues. Gunnarsson would probably become the Blues best LH D, but definitely top 4 ahead of Cole or Russell. Fairchild gives the Leafs a D replacement, he had a pretty solid first season in pro hockey with 8 goals, 34 points in 68 games in the AHL, which would have made him the highest scoring blueliner on the Marlies.
I'll be honest and say that I don't know much about Matt Frattin but how do you know he fits into our 3rd line? Here is our forward depth, without Stewart.

Mcdonald
Backes
Steen
Oshie
Perron
Berglund
Tarasenko
D-Agastini
Schwartz
Sobotka
Crombeen
Reaves

Does Frattin really add anything to our forward group that we don't already have?

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The Blues don't need a top 4 defenseman. The Blues need a top pairing LH defenseman. Something Gunner is not. Personally I would rather go into the season with Cole and give him the chance to succeed. Gunner is just not the player we need. Stewart's value is currently low if he regains form he is work a hell of a lot more then Gunner.
He is a LH defenseman, and would be good if Petro went back to the right side.

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The Blues don't want to trade Stewart. Gunner is a middle pairing defenseman something the Blues don't need. Really there is no deal to be made between St Louis and Toronto.
That's nice, my point still stands.

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I'm wondering if the Blues would (and Leafs for that matter) would consider Gunnarsson and Frattin for Stewart and Fairchild.

I see this as

Stewart>Gunnar
Frattin>Fairchild

Stewart becomes a top 6 winger for TO, Frattin fits into the 3rd line for the Blues. Gunnarsson would probably become the Blues best LH D, but definitely top 4 ahead of Cole or Russell. Fairchild gives the Leafs a D replacement, he had a pretty solid first season in pro hockey with 8 goals, 34 points in 68 games in the AHL, which would have made him the highest scoring blueliner on the Marlies.
Leafs probably don't want a D replacement.

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I'll be honest and say that I don't know much about Matt Frattin but how do you know he fits into our 3rd line? Here is our forward depth, without Stewart.

Mcdonald
Backes
Steen
Oshie
Perron
Berglund
Tarasenko
D-Agastini
Schwartz
Sobotka
Crombeen
Reaves

Does Frattin really add anything to our forward group that we don't already have?
Frattin is better than Sobotka, Crombeen and Reaves for sure, maybe D'Agostini. He also has more NHL experience than Schwartz and Tarasenko and he has a great shot and is good physically.

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06-26-2012, 01:46 PM
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He is a LH defenseman, and would be good if Petro went back to the right side.
The Blues have Cole who if given the chance can perform equally to Gunnerson. The Blues need a TOP PAIRING LH Defenseman. The Blues do not need to give up assets for a middle pairing guy. Pietrangelo plays the right side so I don't really get where the if he went back to right. Currently our RH defenseman are Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, and Polak. Our LH Defenseman are Jackman, Cole, and Russell. Gunner may be a slight up grade on Cole or Russell but he's not enough to trade Stewart for. And like I said I would prefer to go with Cole then trade for Gunner.

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06-26-2012, 01:48 PM
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Frattin is better than Sobotka, Crombeen and Reaves for sure, maybe D'Agostini. He also has more NHL experience than Schwartz and Tarasenko and he has a great shot and is good physically.
I personally do not think Frattin is better then Sobotka. Reaves is a totally different player as he is an enforcer that can also hit and play a physical grinder game with some skill also. Frattin would not be a replacement for Reaves. Sobotka is good at faceoffs so that's a dimension that Frattin does not have. The players you are comparing him to are pretty much our 4th liners so he's really not a player that hold any value to use in a trade at all.

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The Blues don't need a top 4 defenseman. The Blues need a top pairing LH defenseman. Something Gunner is not. Personally I would rather go into the season with Cole and give him the chance to succeed. Gunner is just not the player we need. Stewart's value is currently low if he regains form he is work a hell of a lot more then Gunner.
To be honest I don't really have a vested interest in either team, but I could definitely see Gunnar playing top pairing with AP during 5 on 5 and being a first pairing PK guy. I get that the Blues would prefer a top pairing LHD, but top pairing guys cost a lot more then Stewart.

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To be honest I don't really have a vested interest in either team, but I could definitely see Gunnar playing top pairing with AP during 5 on 5 and being a first pairing PK guy. I get that the Blues would prefer a top pairing LHD, but top pairing guys cost a lot more then Stewart.
Top pairing Dmen are typically not traded unless there is a money issue. Regardless of which side they play.

The problem with Gunnar is that he isn't a step up for the Blues on the left side. (He has more experience then Cole, but upside maybe less). There are also UFA that wouldn't cost assets to get.

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To be honest I don't really have a vested interest in either team, but I could definitely see Gunnar playing top pairing with AP during 5 on 5 and being a first pairing PK guy. I get that the Blues would prefer a top pairing LHD, but top pairing guys cost a lot more then Stewart.
Cole can play that role without us trading Stewart. Just because the Blues IMO mishandled Cole this past season does not mean the gap is as large as people may think between him and Gunner. Personally I think Cole is the more Talented and skilled of the two players he just needs discipline and to be more consistent. Something that could come from just playing everyday instead of playing as a fill in guy. IMO Gunnerson is not an upgrade on Cole from what I have seen. So why would we trade for a player that is a lateral to just a slight upgrade.

Like I said Stewart could return to his past form. Then if Cole is not playing up to standards we could trade Stewart for a much better defenseman then Gunner. We have nothing to lose by going with Cole and keeping Stewart. Just the season before last Leafs fans were ready to give away Gunner. It was just this past season that he became consistent. Really there is almost as much risk in Gunner as there is in going with Cole.

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The Blues have Cole who if given the chance can perform equally to Gunnerson.... Gunner may be a slight up grade on Cole or Russell but he's not enough to trade Stewart for. And like I said I would prefer to go with Cole then trade for Gunner.
Frankly, I think Cole is likely a touch better than Gunnarson when it comes down to it. Their point totals per game last season were nearly identical, with Cole playing 4 minutes less per game. Cole is also a much more physical player. There's no real upside for the Blues here.

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I'll be honest and say that I don't know much about Matt Frattin but how do you know he fits into our 3rd line? Here is our forward depth, without Stewart.

Mcdonald
Backes
Steen
Oshie
Perron
Berglund
Tarasenko
D-Agastini
Schwartz
Sobotka
Crombeen
Reaves

Does Frattin really add anything to our forward group that we don't already have?
Of coarse nobody knows if a new player will fit onto a new team, but Frattin provides a lot of the skills that a team looks for in a 3rd line winger. He has descent size, skates really well, is very strong on his skates and solid along the boards. I think he has 20 goal - 45 point potential. As for the Blues current group of forwards I think Frattin is an improvement on Reaves, Crombeen and D'Agostini. Schwartz and Tarasenko have way more potential but less NHL experience as well so it's tough to guage their impact yet.

But I'm just throwing around ideas, I'm a Canuck fan who just likes to talk puck so the Blues and Leaf fans have a better idea of what their teams need and what they are looking for - I'm just here for the free food.

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If we aren't getting an upgrade, we aren't making a trade. We do not need to change the roster.

I bet the discussions at the draft were about Schenn and now that ship has sailed.

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This is a bit much. We've talked a deal of Gunnar for Stewart to death.

Gunnar + 2nd for Stewart is the closest thing we can agree on. Even though it is a bit in the leafs favour.

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