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07-05-2012, 03:29 PM
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Anyone watch a lot of Paul Stastny? I havent seen him play a lot, but many people say he is a lot like Roy just a little bigger.

Mike Schopp is really talking him up. Wouldnt be the worst thing to add Ott and a bigger Roy this offseason, I couldnt complain.
I haven't seem him play much either, but on paper he does look appealing. However, he has a cap hit of $6.6 million, which is quite high considering he hasn't broke 60 points the last two years.

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07-05-2012, 03:32 PM
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I haven't seem him play much either, but on paper he does look appealing, but he has a cap hit of $6.6 million, which is quite high considering he hasn't broke 60 points the last two years.
I dont think cap matters much anymore. It just keeps going up every year.

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07-05-2012, 03:32 PM
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Anyone watch a lot of Paul Stastny? I havent seen him play a lot, but many people say he is a lot like Roy just a little bigger.

Mike Schopp is really talking him up. Wouldnt be the worst thing to add Ott and a bigger Roy this offseason, I couldnt complain.
He's a good player that's not worth his cap hit. If he had Roy's cap, he'd be ideal. He could be a PPG player with guys like Pominville and Vanek flanking him, but acquiring him with his cap hit is a risk because he may not get to that point even with good linemates.

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07-05-2012, 03:35 PM
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I dont think cap matters much anymore. It just keeps going up every year.
I expect the growth of the cap to stagnate over time, it's risen WAY too fast post lockout and I think they'll take that into consideration in the upcoming CBA.

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07-05-2012, 03:36 PM
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I expect the growth of the cap to stagnate over time, it's risen WAY too fast post lockout and I think they'll take that into consideration in the upcoming CBA.
I said that in 2008.

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07-05-2012, 03:37 PM
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Anyone watch a lot of Paul Stastny? I havent seen him play a lot, but many people say he is a lot like Roy just a little bigger.

Mike Schopp is really talking him up. Wouldnt be the worst thing to add Ott and a bigger Roy this offseason, I couldnt complain.
My opinion on Stastny is simple.... "why not?" His contract fits into the "2 years until we are ready to win again" window...

I look at the next 2 years as simply "seed time"... the future of this franchise is in Myers, Foligno, Hodgson, Grigorenko, Ennis, Girgensons, Armia, Tropp, McNabb, Pysyk, Sekera....

I don't care much about the players that are here for the next 2 years (Vanek, Pommer, Miller)

If we flip one of them for Stastny because someone thinks it makes us more likely to make the playoffs, or for heaven's sake win a series... count me in.

I don't mind shuffling any remaining chairs on the titanic that was the rochester core...

I'd trade Vanek for Stastny... why? i dont know... why not?

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07-05-2012, 03:41 PM
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My opinion on Stastny is simple.... "why not?" His contract fits into the "2 years until we are ready to win again" window...

I look at the next 2 years as simply "seed time"... the future of this franchise is in Myers, Foligno, Hodgson, Grigorenko, Ennis, Girgensons, Armia, Tropp, McNabb, Pysyk, Sekera....

I don't care much about the players that are here for the next 2 years (Vanek, Pommer, Miller)

If we flip one of them for Stastny because someone thinks it makes us more likely to make the playoffs, or for heaven's sake win a series... count me in.

I don't mind shuffling any remaining chairs on the titanic that was the rochester core...

I'd trade Vanek for Stastny... why? i dont know... why not?
Whoa, Vanek for Stastny? I would love the culture change, but I would need someone that plays more of a physical game. Bobby RYan for Vanek I can get behind because even though we dont score more, we are tougher.

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07-05-2012, 03:52 PM
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Whoa, Vanek for Stastny? I would love the culture change, but I would need someone that plays more of a physical game. Bobby RYan for Vanek I can get behind because even though we dont score more, we are tougher.
This would prolly never happen but I would love to see it happen:

To Colorado:
Vanek
Hodgson
Lieno (Cap Reasons)

To Buffalo:
Stastny
Downie

Then go out and Sign Semin.

Semin-Grigorenko-Downie
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
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07-05-2012, 03:53 PM
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This would prolly never happen but I would love to see it happen:

To Colorado:
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Hodgson
Lieno (Cap Reasons)

To Buffalo:
Stastny
Downie


No.

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This would prolly never happen but I would love to see it happen:

To Colorado:
Vanek
Hodgson
Lieno (Cap Reasons)

To Buffalo:
Stastny
Downie

Then go out and Sign Semin.

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You're probably the only one.

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07-05-2012, 03:55 PM
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This would prolly never happen but I would love to see it happen:

To Colorado:
Vanek
Hodgson
Lieno (Cap Reasons)

To Buffalo:
Stastny
Downie

Then go out and Sign Semin.

Semin-Grigorenko-Downie
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Ott-Stastny-Pomminville
No way. I wouldn't do Hodgson for Stastny and Downie straight up, let alone in that outrageous package with our best goal scorer. People severely underrate hodgson around here.

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This would prolly never happen but I would love to see it happen:

To Colorado:
Vanek
Hodgson
Lieno (Cap Reasons)

To Buffalo:
Stastny
Downie

Then go out and Sign Semin.

Semin-Grigorenko-Downie
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Ott-Stastny-Pomminville
It seems like Sabres fans enjoy ripping off their own team.

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07-05-2012, 03:58 PM
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This would prolly never happen but I would love to see it happen:

To Colorado:
Vanek
Hodgson
Lieno (Cap Reasons)

To Buffalo:
Stastny
Downie

Then go out and Sign Semin.

Semin-Grigorenko-Downie
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Ott-Stastny-Pomminville
Congratulations, this is an even worse proposal for stastny than bucky's roy+sekera+1st

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07-05-2012, 04:01 PM
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Congratulations, this is an even worse proposal for stastny than bucky's roy+sekera+1st
Is that real?

You'd basically be trading Sekera + 1st to make Roy 2"-3" taller and paying $2.6 million more per year for the privilege.

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07-05-2012, 04:13 PM
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Is that real?

You'd basically be trading Sekera + 1st to make Roy 2"-3" taller and paying $2.6 million more per year for the privilege.
yeah, it was part of his annual "Gm for a day" thing. It's really ironic how much he hates on darcy and then proposes crap like that

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07-05-2012, 04:50 PM
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I really think the Sabres need to get this done.

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CSKA (KHL team) has an offer on the table for Semin, but so do several NHL clubs. Told by very reliable source, Semin wants to be in NHL.
https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/...80340100042752

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07-05-2012, 04:52 PM
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I really think the Sabres need to get this done.

https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/...80340100042752
My gut tells me Buffalo isn't in on Semin. I don't think they're looking at the FA market anymore for major changes.

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07-05-2012, 04:55 PM
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Lol sorry that you guys overrate our players and then underrate every other teams players. Stastny is a top line Center and Ill take him over Hodgson any day. Hodgson hasnt proven anything.... Downie would keep with the mentality of a team change. Not to mention ridding ourselves of Lienos contract and it all be based on the fact that we sign Semin...

Semin would replace pretty much 90% of Vaneks offense. Downie would be a huge replacement over Lieno, and Stastny brings veteran leadership to a posistion that really needs it on this team....

It would more likely be like this:

Sign Semin 5 years 30 mil

Then

Trade Vanek, Hodgson, and Lieno for Stastny, Downie and a 2013 1st round pick

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Semin to NSH/NJ makes too much sense for us to step in

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My gut tells me Buffalo isn't in on Semin. I don't think they're looking at the FA market anymore for major changes.
As long as something is on the burner, but if they have nothing solid, they should be calling Semin.

You add an enforcer, a gritty top 9 forward, and a potential 30 goal scorer and I call it a good offseason.

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Lol sorry that you guys overrate our players and then underrate every other teams players. Stastny is a top line Center and Ill take him over Hodgson any day. Hodgson hasnt proven anything.... Downie would keep with the mentality of a team change. Not to mention ridding ourselves of Lienos contract and it all be based on the fact that we sign Semin...
Paul Stastny is a top line center in the same vein that Roy was. Buffalo isn't moving Hodgson in a deal for Stastny. Your proposal sucks. That's all.

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Semin to NSH/NJ makes too much sense for us to step in
I'm surprised Holland hasn't signed him in Detroit yet. After the Parise sweepstakes ended I thought that was a slam dunk.


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Anyone notice we have fallen to 12th in payroll. We will jump up to 5th or 6th after Ennis and Kaleta get done, but Pegula surely cant like our cap number, you know he wants to spend every penny.

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Anyone notice we have fallen to 12th in payroll. We will jump up to 5th or 6th after Ennis and Kaleta get done, but Pegula surely cant like our cap number, you know he wants to spend every penny.
If I recall correctly, at the end of the season Regier made comments about wanting to get the team's fiscal house in order. I don't think they're going right up against the cap this year.

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This would prolly never happen but I would love to see it happen:

To Colorado:
Vanek
Hodgson
Lieno (Cap Reasons)

To Buffalo:
Stastny
Downie

Then go out and Sign Semin.

Semin-Grigorenko-Downie
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Ott-Stastny-Pomminville
I just puked a little

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This would prolly never happen but I would love to see it happen:

To Colorado:
Vanek
Hodgson
Lieno (Cap Reasons)

To Buffalo:
Stastny
Downie

Then go out and Sign Semin.

Semin-Grigorenko-Downie
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Ott-Stastny-Pomminville
Nope. I think you might be alone on that one. Downie is kind of meh..Had a hot streak at the end of the year in Colorado but otherwise unimpressive. Not even close to being worth Vanek. I'd much rather keep Hodgson than get Statsny (one trending up and on an ELC, the other signed to a big contract that he's nowhere near living up to). Getting rid of Leino would be nice, I guess?

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