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06-29-2012, 10:22 AM
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If they both reached their potential, Kassian and Hodgson would be pretty good line mates.

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06-29-2012, 10:29 AM
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If they both reached their potential, Kassian and Hodgson would be pretty good line mates.
Agreed, with a speedy winger alongside them.

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06-29-2012, 10:31 AM
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The Sabres were a good hockey team while Kassian stuggled. They were still emerging from 14th place rather rapidly.

I don't think either trade impacted either team a great deal, although it's asking a lot more of a rookie to carry a veteran team past the Stanley Cup champions then it is to provide enough depth to make the playoffs.
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06-29-2012, 11:03 AM
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i'm starting to see how your post count has gotten so high....
yea, there's a lot of idiotic statements to get a chuckle from

The trade had a HUGE affect on the Sabres. You can't see that because your blinded by immense bias.

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06-29-2012, 11:18 AM
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yea, there's a lot of idiotic statements to get a chuckle from

The trade had a HUGE affect on the Sabres. You can't see that because your blinded by immense bias.
The team had definitely turned it around before the trade really let the rebound of Ennis-Stafford to enter a whole new level: Foligno got the call where Kassian otherwise would have, Hodgson at center allowed for 2 lines getting attention over Ennis'.

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06-29-2012, 11:23 AM
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At some point, this thread and the Ennis thread are going to collapse into one, right?

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06-29-2012, 11:24 AM
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The team had definitely turned it around before the trade really let the rebound of Ennis-Stafford to enter a whole new level: Foligno got the call where Kassian otherwise would have, Hodgson at center allowed for 2 lines getting attention over Ennis'.
right.

the sabres clearly made a run largely because of the 3 line set up.
that set up was either impossible, or far too weak, before the acquisition of Hodgson

before the Hodgson trade... the sabres were rolling with:
Vanek-Roy-Pommer
Ennis/Leino-Leino/Ennis-Stafford
Gerbe-Goose-Kaleta
Boyes-Ellis-Kassian

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right.

the sabres clearly made a run largely because of the 3 line set up.
that set up was either impossible, or far too weak, before the acquisition of Hodgson

before the Hodgson trade... the sabres were rolling with:
Vanek-Roy-Pommer
Ennis/Leino-Leino/Ennis-Stafford
Gerbe-Goose-Kaleta
Boyes-Ellis-Kassian
Basically three lines and some landfill in terms of effectiveness. But the GGK line struggled to finish most of the year.

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Agreed, with a speedy winger alongside them.
Ennis-Hodgson-Kassian

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at some point, this thread and the ennis thread are going to collapse into one, right?
omg i think it just did!!!

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06-29-2012, 12:13 PM
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06-29-2012, 12:18 PM
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I'm excited to see how he does this year given a chance to settle in with his new home life and team.

I'm expecting him to transition better than Boyes did.

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06-29-2012, 01:11 PM
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Yeah, I think somebody toe dragged around me while I was eating a Klondyke.

To me, physical stature is a tangible intangible. I think that pretty much clarifies the discussion...
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06-29-2012, 01:41 PM
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06-29-2012, 02:12 PM
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1. you put the elite offensive talent around Grigorenko, forcing other teams to check them

2. you put Hodgson in a "complete" 2nd line role. Good at both ends. With wingers that play the "complete game, like Pommer

3. Girgensons gets the hard shifts, against other teams top lines, in the d zone, after a goal scored, etc... you put speed and size around him and punish the opponents skilled players.

The concern I have with Ennis... is that to maximize him, you can't build the type of lineup I mapped out above, because the only place he fits is on the top line... a role i don't think he could handle (being the line receiving the top checking of the opponent).

With Ennis, you have to build a replica of the co caps era, where Ennis is in the Roy role. I dont think that model wins in the playoffs.
I agree with the 1,2,3 concepts above on how such lines might be constructed.
I agree with the comment that Ennis best slots as Roy_v2.1* if Ruff's push was to model lines ala` '05-07.
It's not clear to me either model wins in the playoffs without further personnel changes, as the current talent makeup appears to be a hybrid of the two (and is why you lobby for an Ennis or Ennis+ for Ryan trade).

*Roy_v2.0 was never released. Roy_v2.1 simply has the "diving" feature disabled.

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I think Parise types (Being a top offensive talent while simulaneously being a complete/200 ft player) are the MOST valuable forwards.

Offensive only types, like Briere... no matter how clutch... are less valuable IMO.

I think Ennis is slightly further along in development, due to Hodgson missing a year of development.
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There are ebbs and flows in every season. After (Ennis) returning from injury, he was by far our best forward. And in those other 21 games, he often looked dangerous, but the finish wasn't there. Or he was playing with Leino.
i.e., the Finnish was there.

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06-29-2012, 03:08 PM
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Agreed, with a speedy winger alongside them.
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Ennis-Hodgson-Kassian ???!!!??!?
Exactly what I was thinking !!!!

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At some point, this thread and the Ennis thread are going to collapse into one, right?
Touche`

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The best intangible for Kassian is his height and weight.
To hell with all the Grigs and Girgs username / avatar changes - I'm changing mine to "Intangibles"

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06-29-2012, 04:40 PM
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I read this entire thread today, I think that qualifies me to comment.

Kassian's height and weight are tangibly intangible because while you can measure the height and weight they are intangible because they can give time and space to other players on the team, however they're also intangible because intangible things, like his use (or more importantly lack of use) of his height and weight can't be measured.

The deal was good for CoHo because Vancouver couldn't use him higher than the third line centre given the talent above him.

It didn't work so far for the Canucks in that they thought they were getting an asset back that could strengthen their team in the playoffs. That failed to happen.

Buffalo dealt a player who they felt wasn't currently living up to his perceived intangibles (the ability to give time and space to his linemates) with his tangible height and weight. They were willing to risk the fact that he may grow into that player, a Bertuzzi light if you will, because they had glaring weakness at centre.

Win for the Sabres now and going forward. G&G will solidify the position even more when they are ready, i just hope they're not rushed to the NHL level before they are ready. The point isn't to just make the playoffs, it is to go far once you are there and repeat the next year(s). Buffalo still isn't ready.

And don't point to the Kings being an 8th place team, technically they were, but they were also three points out of being seeded 3rd, which is where they were expected to be when the season began. Point on that being that the Sabres can't compare themselves to the Kings and expected to go that far if they'd snuck in at the 8th spot in the east.


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06-29-2012, 05:28 PM
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And, seriously, even if Kassian does well for the Canucks (or another club) long-term (and I wish him well), and even if Kassian's individual value to Vancouver long-term exceeds Hodgson's individual value to Buffalo long-term, in the player-for-player deal, the trade may STILL tilt in Buffalo favor, as the Hodgson acquisition allows another season (minimum) development of G & G without pushing one of them to the NHL too soon. Which itself is an intangible benefit, which may have been tangibly posted in this thread already.

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http://video.sabres.nhl.com/videocen...ed-share-video

Sabres.com has a new Coho/Gary Roberts video up.

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Sabres.com has a new Coho/Gary Roberts video up.
Always fun to see dedicated work ethic.

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08-21-2012, 10:51 AM
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http://video.sabres.nhl.com/videocen...ed-share-video

Sabres.com has a new Coho/Gary Roberts video up.
Thanks for posting this.... I hope we see a sign of improvement from CoHo (if there's a season). I'm glad he's a dedicated young guy looking to improve. A good role model for a few prospects coming up in the next year or two.

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08-21-2012, 10:58 AM
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It was an awesome trade. Thanks for the video

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08-21-2012, 01:36 PM
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i would definately do the trade again.

imho as of now, sabres did profit from this trade more than vancouver. hodgson played fine until now, and he will be a central piece going forward. more time for G&G to mature (as already mentioned here couple of times) is one aspect, but after the last years I think I'm very happy with maybe having too many centers in 2-3 years (hello injuries!).

i liked kassian very much, i would love us to have him still in our system, but you have to give something and he was the only way to get hodgson, so thats fine.
2 more things: i'm always a little sceptical about players with a past such as he had, i'm not sure he will stay professional off the ice. and secondly, i rather do not rely on a young player (prospect) to fight. he can destroy somebody but still break his hand while he is at it.

plus, we got sulzer and we shipped grags !

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