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06-29-2012, 11:08 AM
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When did we trade them for Kessel?
You tell em Blue , everyone knows we got Kessel for nothing .

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Toronto likely has more American born players on their team than most if not all other NHL teams and their Canadian based with 50% of all NHL players Canadian born.

- Luke Schenn (Canadian) traded for James Van Riemsdyk (American)

- Tyler Sequin, Dougie Hamilton & Jared Knight (all Canadian) for Phil Kessel (American).

- Last summer signed Tim Connolly (American), traded drat picks for JM Liles (American) and David Steckel (American).

- Signed Mike Komisarek (American), traded for Mike Brown (American), Jake Gardiner (American), Joey Crabb (American), drafted Kenny Ryan, Jerry D'Amigo, Tyler Biggs all Americans etc from the USNDP.

Seeing as how GM Burke (American) is loading up on American born players, that is what would give people the idea he prefers Americans.

Considering Peter Mueller played center for Phil Kessel at the U.S. National U18 Team (USNDP) & played together WJC in 2004 & 2005 teams.

Therefore considering Peter Mueller is an American a UFA, and a center, while being linked to Kessel in the past and comes from Burke's home state of Minnesota no less I think its easy to connect the dots to believe he is on Leafs radar as a potential signing this summer.

If he comes relatively cheap its probably worth a gamble as a former 1st round selection #8 overall.
This isn't just for you Mess but to the vast majority to dispel this American Myth.

-Dion Phaneuf (Canadian) named Captain for the Maple leafs
-Fired Ron Wilson (American) and hired Randy Carlyle (Canadian)
-Traded Tomas Kaberle (Czech) for Joe Colborne (Canadian) & 30+39 pick for Stuart Percy (Canadian)
-Drafted Morgan Reilly (Canadian) 5th overall
-Drafted Matt Finn (Canadian) 35th overall
-Drafted Ryan Rupert (Canadian) & Invited his Matt Rupert (Canadian) to training camp.
-Drafted Connor Brown
-Signed UFA Tyler Bozak (Canadian)
-Signed Tyler Brenner(Canadian) to a contract from HS.
-Signed Spencer Abbott (Canadian) for AHL depth.
-Signed Ben Scrivens (Canadian) for our possible goalie solution.
-Signed Jonas Gustavsson (Swedish) for replacement of Vesa Toskala (Finnish)
-Signed Mark Owuya (Swedish) to bring in more depth for his potential in net.
-Signed Jussi Rynnas (Finnish) for more depth in net and potential.
-Traded Francois Beauchemin (Canadian) after signing him from UFA for Joffrey Lupul (Canadian) & Jake Gardiner (American)
-Traded Brett Lebda (American) & Robert Slaney (Canadian) for Matthew Lombardi (Canadian) & Cody Franson (Canadian).
-Signed UFA Colby Armstrong (Canadian)
-Trying to sign Justin Schultz (Canadian)
-Signed Tim Connolly (American) after failing to sign Brad Richards (Canadian)
-Traded Keith Aulie (Canadian) for Carter Ashton (Canadian)
-Top prospect & Drafted first by Burke, Nazem Kadri (Canadian)
-Drafted Jesse Blacker (Canadian) in 2nd round in 2009
-Drafted Jamie Devane (Canadian) 3rd round in 2009.
-Traded Jimmy Hayes (American) to draft Brad Ross (Canadian)
-Drafted Greg Mckegg (Canadian) 3rd round in 2010.
-Drafted and gave entry level contract to David Broll (Canadian)
-Traded For Jean Sebastien Giguere (Canadian) trade Toskala (Finish) & Jason Blake (American).
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Notable Non-Toronto Record:
-Drafted Daniel & Henrik Sedin (Swedish)
-Drafted Chris Pronger (Canadian)
-Signed Scott Niedermayer (Canadian)
-Drafted Ryan Kesler (American)
-Drafted Kevin Bieksa (Canadian)

I am done now...too much off the brain but I am pretty sure there can be more to solidify my point and dispel this "American Disease" or whatever.

ALSO. We DIDN'T trade seguin/Hamilton/knight, but 2 first rounders and a second round pick that turned into those players.

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06-29-2012, 11:10 AM
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Toronto likely has more American born players on their team than most if not all other NHL teams, and being Canadian based, with the fact +50% of all NHL players Canadian born there is a pattern here. Actions speak louder than words so lets see;

- Luke Schenn (Canadian) traded for James Van Riemsdyk (American)

- Tyler Sequin, Dougie Hamilton & Jared Knight (all Canadian) for Phil Kessel (American).

- Last summer signed Tim Connolly (American), traded drat picks for JM Liles (American) and David Steckel (American).

- Signed Mike Komisarek (American), traded for Mike Brown (American), Jake Gardiner (American), Joey Crabb (American), drafted Kenny Ryan, Jerry D'Amigo, Tyler Biggs all Americans etc from the USNDP.

Seeing as how GM Burke (American) is loading up on American born players, that is what would give people the idea he prefers Americans.

Considering Peter Mueller played center for Phil Kessel at the U.S. National U18 Team (USNDP) & played together WJC in 2004 & 2005 teams.

Therefore considering Peter Mueller is an American a UFA, and a center, while being linked to Kessel in the past and comes from Burke's home state of Minnesota no less I think its easy to connect the dots to believe he is on Leafs radar as a potential signing this summer.

If he comes relatively cheap its probably worth a gamble as a former 1st round selection #8 overall.


If you're trying to convince me that this is Burke's mindset when he trades for or drafts a player, then you're not doing a very good job in doing so.

Kessel was traded only because he didn't want to play in Boston and in Julien's system anymore, and thus was made available. Hypothetically speaking, if Peterborough native Corey Perry did a similar thing in Anaheim, you don't think Burke would move heaven and earth to get him in a Leaf uniform?

For every American on the Leafs or in the system, I can name 2 Canadians to match it.

Again, this whole notion that Burke looks at a guy passport before anything else is complete and utter BS. He's even mentioned this fact multiple time through various interviews as well.

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06-29-2012, 11:22 AM
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I'd like to know when Jared Knight changed his citizenship.
I'd like to know how unknown draft picks have a predetermined country of origin.

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06-29-2012, 11:23 AM
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This isn't just for you Mess but to the vast majority to dispel this American Myth.

-Dion Phaneuf (Canadian) named Captain for the Maple leafs
-Fired Ron Wilson (American) and hired Randy Carlyle (Canadian)
-Traded Tomas Kaberle (Czech) for Joe Colborne (Canadian) & 30+39 pick for Stuart Percy (Canadian)
-Drafted Morgan Reilly (Canadian) 5th overall
-Drafted Matt Finn (Canadian) 35th overall
-Drafted Ryan Rupert (Canadian) & Invited his Matt Rupert (Canadian) to training camp.
-Drafted Connor Brown
-Signed UFA Tyler Bozak (Canadian)
-Signed Tyler Brenner(Canadian) to a contract from HS.
-Signed Spencer Abbott (Canadian) for AHL depth.
-Signed Ben Scrivens (Canadian) for our possible goalie solution.
-Signed Jonas Gustavsson (Swedish) for replacement of Vesa Toskala (Finnish)
-Signed Mark Owuya (Swedish) to bring in more depth for his potential in net.
-Signed Jussi Rynnas (Finnish) for more depth in net and potential.
-Traded Francois Beauchemin (Canadian) after signing him from UFA for Joffrey Lupul (Canadian) & Jake Gardiner (American)
-Traded Brett Lebda (American) & Robert Slaney (Canadian) for Matthew Lombardi (Canadian) & Cody Franson (Canadian).
-Signed UFA Colby Armstrong (Canadian)
-Trying to sign Justin Schultz (Canadian)
-Signed Tim Connolly (American) after failing to sign Brad Richards (Canadian)
-Traded Keith Aulie (Canadian) for Carter Ashton (Canadian)
-Top prospect & Drafted first by Burke, Nazem Kadri (Canadian)
-Drafted Jesse Blacker (Canadian) in 2nd round in 2009
-Drafted Jamie Devane (Canadian) 3rd round in 2009.
-Traded Jimmy Hayes (American) to draft Brad Ross (Canadian)
-Drafted Greg Mckegg (Canadian) 3rd round in 2010.
-Drafted and gave entry level contract to David Broll (Canadian)
-Traded For Jean Sebastien Giguere (Canadian) trade Toskala (Finish) & Jason Blake (American).
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Notable Non-Toronto Record:
-Drafted Daniel & Henrik Sedin (Swedish)
-Drafted Chris Pronger (Canadian)
-Signed Scott Niedermayer (Canadian)
-Drafted Ryan Kesler (American)
-Drafted Kevin Bieksa (Canadian)

I am done now...too much off the brain but I am pretty sure there can be more to solidify my point and dispel this "American Disease" or whatever.

ALSO. We DIDN'T trade seguin/Hamilton/knight, but 2 first rounders and a second round pick that turned into those players.
Never let facts get in the way of an agenda.

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06-29-2012, 11:24 AM
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Just want to clear this up, pretty sure Mueller is an RFA.

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06-29-2012, 11:26 AM
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A highly modified Delorean.

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06-29-2012, 11:27 AM
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Just want to clear this up, pretty sure Mueller is an RFA.
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06-29-2012, 11:28 AM
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Just want to clear this up, pretty sure Mueller is an RFA.
Nope, No qualifying offer submitted : Avs elect not to extend qualifying offer to Mueller (http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=10323)

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Available UFAs: F Evan Brophey, G Cedrick Desjardins, D Matt Hunwick, D David Liffiton, F Joakim Lindstrom, F Greg Mauldin, F Jay McClement, F Justin Mercier, F Peter Mueller, F Kevin Porter, D Danny Richmond, F Patrick Rissmiller, F Ryan Stoa, F David Van Der Gulik

Available RFAs: F Patrick Bordeleau, G Trevor Cann, F Zach Cohen, D Jonas Holos, D Erik Johnson, F Jamie McGinn, D Jake Newton, F Mark Olver, F Ryan O'Reilly

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This says the Avs elected not to qualify him.

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Nope, No qualifying offer submitted : Avs elect not to extend qualifying offer to Mueller (http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=10323)

Colorado Avalanche

Available UFAs: F Evan Brophey, G Cedrick Desjardins, D Matt Hunwick, D David Liffiton, F Joakim Lindstrom, F Greg Mauldin, F Jay McClement, F Justin Mercier, F Peter Mueller, F Kevin Porter, D Danny Richmond, F Patrick Rissmiller, F Ryan Stoa, F David Van Der Gulik

Available RFAs: F Patrick Bordeleau, G Trevor Cann, F Zach Cohen, D Jonas Holos, D Erik Johnson, F Jamie McGinn, D Jake Newton, F Mark Olver, F Ryan O'Reilly

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This says the Avs elected not to qualify him.
YES! WE GOT A CHANCE. I liked this guy in phoenix. He could be classic Macarthur reclamation project.

For depth I am interested in Porter and or Stoa.

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If you're trying to convince me that this is Burke's mindset when he trades for or drafts a player, then you're not doing a very good job in doing so.

Kessel was traded only because he didn't want to play in Boston and in Julien's system anymore, and thus was made available. Hypothetically speaking, if Peterborough native Corey Perry did a similar thing in Anaheim, you don't think Burke would move heaven and earth to get him in a Leaf uniform?

For every American on the Leafs or in the system, I can name 2 Canadians to match it.

Again, this whole notion that Burke looks at a guy passport before anything else is complete and utter BS. He's even mentioned this fact multiple time through various interviews as well.
I wanted to show the connection between Peter Mueller (American) to Phil Kessel (American) as former teammates and linemates in the past with both the USA U-18 NDP and U-20 WJC.

Leafs have been looking for a center for Phil Kessel and Mueller brings size and a previous connection to their past. This one seems almost too easy to predict that Leafs will go a calling here.

The fact he is American just gravy in this case, as a selling feature Burke can use to convince him to join Team America and play with Phil again.

PS: 6 of Leafs 12 current forwards (50%) are American (Kessel, JVR, Connolly, Brown, Steckel & Crabb), and 3 of 6 dmen (50%) (Liles, Komisarek & Gardiner) are American so that is 9 roster players all acquired by Burke on the team.. Lets see you match the 2 X as many Canadians claim. I dare you, considering a NHL team consists of 23 max players and you would need 18 Canadians to prove your point making it a 27 man squad even if every other player was Canadian.


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Mueller 2 year 9 million deal to the Leafs please.

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Too much money.

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I wanted to show the connection between Peter Mueller (American) to Phil Kessel (American) as former teammates and linemates in the past with both the USA U-18 NDP and U-20 WJC.

Leafs have been looking for a center for Phil Kessel and Mueller brings size and a previous connection to their past. This one seems almost too easy to predict that Leafs will go a calling here.

The fact he is American just gravy in this case, as a selling feature Burke can use to convince him to join Team America and play with Phil again.
It maybe the case but it buys us time for the young players like Kadri and Colborne who are Canadian and in the end might be much better than Mueller and less injury prone. I would really hope burke goes for this guy because I liked his work in Phoenix.

American or not, don't you think the fact he is a young first rounder who brings size and skill is what we need at the center spot?

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Mueller 2 year 9 million deal to the Leafs please.
9 million over 2 years? A tad much for a guy who hasn't really proven anything substantial.

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I wanted to show the connection between Peter Mueller (American) to Phil Kessel (American) as former teammates and linemates in the past with both the USA U-18 NDP and U-20 WJC.

Leafs have been looking for a center for Phil Kessel and Mueller brings size and a previous connection to their past. This one seems almost too easy to predict that Leafs will go a calling here.

The fact he is American just gravy here.

And the fact that he hasn't played a full season since his rookie year is probably why the Avs are letting him walk for nothing. Doesn't really bode well for him being a possible top-line C for us if he's always on the IR.

Also, while he's a natural centre, he's played on the wing for most of his NHL career.

Lastly, there was rumours a couple of years ago that Mueller's heart wasn't in playing hockey anymore due to his strong religious background and him wanting to retire to become an ordained minister in another few years.

Something to consider for people that want him as a stop-gap solution for us.

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If Burke has any plans on July 1st, he has to dump a contract or two. There's just no room on the roster if he intends to give Frattin and Kadri shots aswell.

I'm looking at Lombardi and MacArthur as candidates to be moved this weekend. Burke has been throwing his hands in the air, saying how he hates having a small team.

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If Burke has any plans on July 1st, he has to dump a contract or two. There's just no room on the roster if he intends to give Frattin and Kadri shots aswell.

I'm looking at Lombardi and MacArthur as candidates to be moved this weekend. Burke has been throwing his hands in the air, saying how he hates having a small team.
definitely see mac moving, not sure about lambo yet. I'd think he can be on the move.

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Mueller 2 year 9 million deal to the Leafs please.
His qualifying offer would have been 2.1 million and the Avs decided to walk away so....

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If Burke has any plans on July 1st, he has to dump a contract or two. There's just no room on the roster if he intends to give Frattin and Kadri shots aswell.

I'm looking at Lombardi and MacArthur as candidates to be moved this weekend. Burke has been throwing his hands in the air, saying how he hates having a small team.
He doesn't have to make the cap clearing moves right away, they can go upto 77 million in the offseason. If they get something done, they can move dollars out accordingly.

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9 million over 2 years? A tad much for a guy who hasn't really proven anything substantial.
Much much rather have Mueller centering Kessel and Lupul than Connolly for that kind of money.

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He doesn't have to make the cap clearing moves right away, they can go upto 77 million in the offseason. If they get something done, they can move dollars out accordingly.
This is true, that slipped my mind. Thanks.

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It maybe the case but it buys us time for the young players like Kadri and Colborne who are Canadian and in the end might be much better than Mueller and less injury prone. I would really hope burke goes for this guy because I liked his work in Phoenix.

American or not, don't you think the fact he is a young first rounder who brings size and skill is what we need at the center spot?
Kadri and Colborne better watch out, keep looking over their shoulders at young American's Jerry D' Amigo and Tyler Biggs coming to take their spots.

I'm on board with a Mueller signing, I've always liked his potential and he is worth the risk, if the money is befitting the gamble and that he can hopefully overcome his concussion and injury history problems of the past to realize that potential. This is a "free wallet" I would pick up and see what was inside.

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Much much rather have Mueller centering Kessel and Lupul than Connolly for that kind of money.
I wouldn't, but to each his own.

I understand TC is overpaid, but he's by no means "useless". That's how I see it, anyway.

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