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[CGY/WAS]D.Wideman for J.Henry, 5th Pick (2013); Re-Sign Wideman (5 Yrs/$26.25 mil)

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06-28-2012, 10:44 AM
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Yep.

And the way people are talking, you'd think they expect top pair caliber defence from him.

He is a PMD who can play enough defence to be an average #4/#5. That's pretty much what PMD's are. The Flames are most definitely NOT adding him to fix their defensive issues. People who keep bringing his defensive issues as a base of bashing the contract are making a fool out of themselves.

The Flames are adding him to improve their tranistion game.

But noooo, everyone has to play a great 2-way game.
So you're admitting that he's a 4/5 dman.

Your team just signed a 4/5 dman to a 5 year deal @ $5.25mil a year...

You don't see a problem with this??

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06-28-2012, 10:47 AM
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So you're admitting that he's a 4/5 dman.

Your team just signed a 4/5 dman to a 5 year deal @ $5.25mil a year...

You don't see a problem with this??
If he can score 40-50 pts, I need puck movement badly, and I have the cap space, then no I don't see the problem with it.

He isn't your typical bottom 3 defenceman. He brings high level offence with him.

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06-28-2012, 10:49 AM
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The flood of Flames posters pissed off at Wideman will be so satisfying after seeing so many of them praising this as a good signing.

Literally every fanbase that Wideman has played for has HATED him, it's just laughable that Flames fans think it will be any different for them.

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06-28-2012, 10:51 AM
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If his offense falls off as a result of turning the other side
of 30 or getting complacent with his big contract this could get really ugly for the flames with that no movement clause.

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The flood of Flames posters pissed off at Wideman will be so satisfying after seeing so many of them praising this as a good signing.

Literally every fanbase that Wideman has played for has HATED him, it's just laughable that Flames fans think it will be any different for them.
If Flames fans expect a good defensive player, then yep they will be hating him. That doesn't make it a horrible signing though.

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If Flames fans expect a good defensive player, then yep they will be hating him. That doesn't make it a horrible signing though.
Dennis Wideman for 5 years @ $5.25mil IS a horrible signing any way you cut it, I'm sorry.

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Dennis Wideman for 5 years @ $5.25mil IS a horrible signing any way you cut it, I'm sorry.
You're entitled to your opinion. We don't have to agree.

I'm curious - what do you think is not horrible for Wideman?

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You're entitled to your opinion. We don't have to agree.

I'm curious - what do you think is not horrible for Wideman?
2 years @ $3.25mil with no NMC/NTC would be acceptable IMO.

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2 years @ $3.25mil with no NMC/NTC would be acceptable IMO.
So a player, who made 4.5 M last year, takes a 1.25 M paycut on a short term contract after having his 2nd best statistical [Top 10 scoring amongst D] season?

How does that possibly make any sense?

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Wideman gets so much unjust hate, but this deal will only make it worse. Wideman can be nasty when handled and coached right, like his year with Boston or last year with Washington. But looks horrible when teams try to make him a top defensemen or give him too much responsibility, like his last year with Boston and in Florida. 5.2 a year for a guy that should be hidden in the depth of your d-core just for the PP and offensive boost is a huge over payment.

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06-28-2012, 11:06 AM
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Yeah, we finished in 9th 5 points behind the eventual Stanley Cup Champions!

Now consider that we have a better coach, some better offensive talent, and provided we don't run into a million injuries like we did last season, and you don't think we can be a playoff team come next season?

PS. Feaster says he's not done.
That never works.

Every team in the top 8 will also improve bud.

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So a player, who made 4.5 M last year, takes a 1.25 M paycut on a short term contract after having his 2nd best statistical [Top 10 scoring amongst D] season?

How does that possibly make any sense?
Because he was moved to the 3rd Pairing for Washington in the playoffs and was on the ice for a lot of goals against.

His offensive skills aren't enough to outweigh his defensive blunders.

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Looks like the Flames couldn't afford to give Olli Jokinen a Dennis Wideman-like contract.
http://twitter.com/EricFrancis/statu...83008649068544
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Source tells me it's official: Olli Jokinen's days with the Flames are over and he will head to free agency July 1.

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Looks like the Flames couldn't afford to give Olli Jokinen a Dennis Wideman-like contract.
http://twitter.com/EricFrancis/statu...83008649068544
The Flames never wanted to give Jokinen a contract like this. He's too old now.

2 years for less than $4M is likely all that was offered.

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2 years @ $3.25mil with no NMC/NTC would be acceptable IMO.
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So a player, who made 4.5 M last year, takes a 1.25 M paycut on a short term contract after having his 2nd best statistical [Top 10 scoring amongst D] season?

How does that possibly make any sense?
Factoring in inflation, it's more like a $1.6M paycut.

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Because he was moved to the 3rd Pairing for Washington in the playoffs and was on the ice for a lot of goals against.

His offensive skills aren't enough to outweigh his defensive blunders.
Right, becasue he was playing top pairing minutes the year before.

Just because Washington demoted him doesn't mean he got worse. His defence was exactly what it was before he got there - very average, and suitable for a very average #4/#5.

So, his play didn't actually get worse. Remind me again, why he is going to take a massive paycut?

@CH - thanks for the point. A 1.6 M paycut is just asinine for him.

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So a player, who made 4.5 M last year, takes a 1.25 M paycut on a short term contract after having his 2nd best statistical [Top 10 scoring amongst D] season?

How does that possibly make any sense?
There's a difference between what he was going to get and what that poster was saying would be an acceptable contract to add Wideman to a team trying to win now and in the future.

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Is it surprising I am not surprised by this? Calgary's refusal to accept the team is mediocre at best is astonishing but bloody consistent.

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Good trade for the Flames now that they got him signed right away..

..but that cap hit aint something people are going to be happy with. Sure Wideman brings in potential for 50-60 pts but that is in no way guaranteed. He is so inconsistent defensively that the fanbase cant have confidence in him, thats why he gets all the hate. But he is still good 2nd pairing defenseman IMO.

Its interesting to see what is JayBo's role next season. Fans complain that he's been used in a too defensive role, will this Wideman acquisition just make it worse for him?

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Is it surprising I am not surprised by this? Calgary's refusal to accept the team is mediocre at best is astonishing but bloody consistent.
It's not all that surprising. Ownership wants to win now, and they don't want to move their 2 most popular players. It's all about business.

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Is it surprising I am not surprised by this? Calgary's refusal to accept the team is mediocre at best is astonishing but bloody consistent.
Calgary obviously felt they had a hold to fill in their line up. A big right handed shot on the blue line who can provide iffence from the back end and help the power play. Doesn't that obviously mean the team is trying to imprpve?

What will hf say if the flames win more shiot outs and ot games and make it to the playoffs?

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Dennis Wideman was boo'd in Boston

As a Bruin

Yes, he will move the puck for you...but in no way is he a PMD who is good enough to the point where you can disregard his defensive play and be worthy of that money.

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Calgary obviously felt they had a hold to fill in their line up. A big right handed shot on the blue line who can provide iffence from the back end and help the power play. Doesn't that obviously mean the team is trying to imprpve?

What will hf say if the flames win more shiot outs and ot games and make it to the playoffs?
LOL well Wideman won't help with the shootouts...

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i guess Bouwmeester is on his way out.. no way flames can pay both wideman and Bouwmeester that kinda of money.. both at average dmen at best..

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Maybe the Flames thought they were signing Denis Potvin and not Dennis Wideman?

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i guess Bouwmeester is on his way out.. no way flames can pay both wideman and Bouwmeester that kinda of money.. both at average dmen at best..
Lol. he was 10th in league scoring.
ane if u watch bouwmeester live hes by far the best skater on the ice and very noticible. What do you consider a good dman? not one who shutz down top lines and.plays more minutez than any one in the league in.all situationS? And not a guy who was 10th in d scoring either. hmm youre picky.

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