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[CGY/WAS]D.Wideman for J.Henry, 5th Pick (2013); Re-Sign Wideman (5 Yrs/$26.25 mil)

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06-28-2012, 12:34 PM
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Lol. he was 10th in league scoring.
ane if u watch bouwmeester live hes by far the best skater on the ice and very noticible. What do you consider a good dman? not one who shutz down top lines and.plays more minutez than any one in the league in.all situationS? And not a guy who was 10th in d scoring either. hmm youre picky.
Bouwmeester was a -21 last year LOL.

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06-28-2012, 12:37 PM
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Here's some classic Wideman lore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOxAe-3TvEA&feature=plcp

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06-28-2012, 12:39 PM
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I think I'm going to save all these posts by Flames fans sticking up for the deal for when the same people are making "Waive Wideman" threads come January.
Enjoy being petty and obsessive.

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06-28-2012, 12:42 PM
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Enjoy being petty and obsessive.
I will thanks.

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06-28-2012, 12:50 PM
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They're 0/2 on this account.
Finishing 9th x 2 seasons in a row while rebuilding isn't competitive?

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06-28-2012, 12:54 PM
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The flood of Flames posters pissed off at Wideman will be so satisfying after seeing so many of them praising this as a good signing.

Literally every fanbase that Wideman has played for has HATED him, it's just laughable that Flames fans think it will be any different for them.
Bruins fans loved him a lot when he was with their team. Often saying he was playing better than Chara for long stretches.

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06-28-2012, 12:59 PM
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Bruins fans loved him a lot when he was with their team. Often saying he was playing better than Chara for long stretches.
Is that why he was boo'd in Boston? As a Bruin...


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06-28-2012, 01:08 PM
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Flames fans, I love the optimism, but those who have seen him play for an extended time, like Bruins and Caps fans, know how much he ****ing sucks.

Sorry.. You'll find out soon enough though.

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06-28-2012, 01:17 PM
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Finishing 9th x 2 seasons in a row while rebuilding isn't competitive?
Depends on your definition of competitive. I wouldn't celebrate mediocrity. And the flames "rebuild" is not one. Every team makes draft picks.

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06-28-2012, 01:19 PM
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Depends on your definition of competitive. I wouldn't celebrate mediocrity. And the flames "rebuild" is not one. Every team makes draft picks.
Rebuilds often take much longer than 2 years, being competitive for a playoff spot while attempting to draft high end talent is the plan in Calgary. We may need to be patient for another 2 years before we start to see a real shift in roster personnel. Meanwhile, playoffs are still realistic and we have a team that we can actually cheer for.

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06-28-2012, 01:30 PM
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There's a reason this guy is on his fifth NHL team before the age of 30...

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06-28-2012, 02:15 PM
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Wideman got the current going rate for UFA Defensemen scoring at his level. The market decides the $'s and this is what they are. Look at Luke Schenn a non scoring RFA defenseman. He got $4.6 last year. $3.6 plus a $1 mil bonus.

Wideman is a bargain in comparison.

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06-28-2012, 02:16 PM
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Rebuilds often take much longer than 2 years, being competitive for a playoff spot while attempting to draft high end talent is the plan in Calgary. We may need to be patient for another 2 years before we start to see a real shift in roster personnel. Meanwhile, playoffs are still realistic and we have a team that we can actually cheer for.
The only reason they've been able to come up just a little short of the playoffs and muster 9/10 finishes is because of Iginla (superstar forward) and Kiprusoff (superstar goalie). Great players no doubt but when you look at their ages (both will be 35 to start next season) you gotta figure they don't have too many years left in the tank. There isn't really any significant young talent of note on Calgary. Some guys that will be bottom sixes their entire career but no potential all stars. Your team has not made moves to acquire additional picks or prospects over the years and are thus straddled with a mediocre prospect pool to complement an aging, mediocre roster. It's not a great position to be in and why people question moves like this that seem destined to keep the team mediocre.

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Wideman got the current going rate for UFA Defensemen scoring at his level. The market decides the $'s and this is what they are. Look at Luke Schenn a non scoring RFA defenseman. He got $4.6 last year. $3.6 plus a $1 mil bonus.

Wideman is a bargain in comparison.
Luke Schenn's 3.6 million cap hit largely is paying for potential. He was 21 when he signed.

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06-28-2012, 02:18 PM
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Wideman got the current going rate for UFA Defensemen scoring at his level. The market decides the $'s and this is what they are. Look at Luke Schenn a non scoring RFA defenseman. He got $4.6 last year. $3.6 plus a $1 mil bonus.

Wideman is a bargain in comparison.
Schenn is younger than Wideman, better defensively than Wideman and at least has potential whereas Wideman is proven to be terrible defensively.

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06-28-2012, 02:19 PM
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Finishing 9th x 2 seasons in a row while rebuilding isn't competitive?
They aren't rebuilding though.

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They aren't rebuilding though.
We are, you must be thinking of tanking.

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all of this will be overshadowed by jankowski in 10 years time

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It's admirable that Flames fans are trying to convince themselves that this is an OK signing, but it really isn't. Wideman is not "below average" defensively, he's absolutely atrocious, easily one of the worst defensive dmen in the league. He is ridiculously immobile skating backwards, constantly out of position, very slow for his size, easily outmuscled, and has a low compete level.

In 2010/11, the Panthers were badly in need of offense and they STILL traded Wideman midway through the season for nothing but a 3rd round pick and Jake Hauswirth (a complete throw away prospect who is unlikely to even make the AHL), despite the face that Wideman still had 1.5 seasons left on his deal at a $3.9 mil cap hit. There was no reason to trade him for scraps, except that he was making the team worse just by being in the roster. This was also the case in Boston and Washington. The guy is fairly talented offensively, but just such a boneheaded player, makes so many mistakes, and is TERRIBLE defensively. I absolutely guarantee that Flames fans will hate Wideman before the end of even his first season in Calgary, and you guys are stuck with him for 5 years at $5.25 mil (nobody is touching that contract). I honestly think the Wideman contract may be the 2nd worst contract in the league at the moment, behind only DiPietro.

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It's admirable that Flames fans are trying to convince themselves that this is an OK signing, but it really isn't. Wideman is not "below average" defensively, he's absolutely atrocious, easily one of the worst defensive dmen in the league. He is ridiculously immobile skating backwards, constantly out of position, very slow for his size, easily outmuscled, and has a low compete level.

In 2010/11, the Panthers were badly in need of offense and they STILL traded Wideman midway through the season for nothing but a 3rd round pick and Jake Hauswirth (a complete throw away prospect who is unlikely to even make the AHL), despite the face that Wideman still had 1.5 seasons left on his deal at a $3.9 mil cap hit. There was no reason to trade him for scraps, except that he was making the team worse just by being in the roster. This was also the case in Boston and Washington. The guy is fairly talented offensively, but just such a boneheaded player, makes so many mistakes, and is TERRIBLE defensively. I absolutely guarantee that Flames fans will hate Wideman before the end of even his first season in Calgary, and you guys are stuck with him for 5 years at $5.25 mil (nobody is touching that contract). I honestly think the Wideman contract may be the 2nd worst contract in the league at the moment, behind only DiPietro.
And then I knew you didn't know what you were talking about.

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06-28-2012, 02:37 PM
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They aren't rebuilding though.
You do not hasve to blow up a team to rebuild.You can stay competitive and gradually inject youth.

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For the record, those of you who are saying he made 4.5M last year are wrong. He made just under 4M (3.996M IINM).

I said it in the Caps board thread and I'll say it again here: ennis Wi eman is exactly what HFBoards thinks Mike Green is.

He's a good offensive talent who put up points early in the season. He was even good for a couple OT winners. As the season wore on and intensity, physicality, and pressure increased, his play trailed off. By the time the playoffs rolled around, he was playing inexcusably bad hockey.

On the power play, he's ok once the zone is established, but don't let him be the one to try to gain the blue line. It'll be the worst two minutes of fetch you've ever seen. Once he gets it on the point, he has a pretty good shot that he doesn't like to use. Instead, he waits for the forward to commit to a shot block and either tries to walk around (at which point, if successful, he usually doesn't shoot) or slap pass to the weak side net man.

At even strength, his best asset is his slap shot off the rush, which he can and will take, and he places it pretty well. He was a mediocre (at best) defender in the Caps man-to-man system under Hunter because he usually lost one-on-one battles. He is an ineffective hitter, but he will try. In open ice he'll usually whiff on a hip check (see Milan Michalek's goal); in the corners he'll just bounce off the guy he hits.

Best hope is to use him on the third pairing and PP, shelter his defensive minutes and hope that he can turn it around in a zone system and with a partner better than Jeff Schultz.


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06-28-2012, 02:49 PM
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It's not the 2nd worst contract in the NHL but I'd say it will be widely regarded as a top 10/top 5 worst NHL contract in a couple years.

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This is easily one of the worst contracts in the NHL today.

Keep on truckin', Calgary

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It's not the 2nd worst contract in the NHL but I'd say it will be widely regarded as a top 10/top 5 worst NHL contract in a couple years.
This contract has major potential to be up there. The NMC is the kicker. If Wideman's offense goes down with age then he's not even a bottom pairing Defenseman.

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