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06-30-2012, 10:27 AM
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That offer would get Ryan imo
I agree. I would sleep better at night having traded Stepan for Ryan than for Nash. We would most likely be able to keep MDZ as well.

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06-30-2012, 10:29 AM
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I'd rather have Enver Lisn or Alex Frolov on the 1st line than give up the assets to acquire Rick Nash. Seriously, I will have a hard time stomaching him on the team.
I could be wrong for sure, but normally I am pretty critical/skeptical and the only time really I like someone more than others its when it comes to some reclamation projects/very cheap deadline pickups like Zidlicky or Hemsky.

But I personally definitely think that Rich Nash is the real deal and that he must blow, if not all, atleast many, nay-sayers away if he comes here.

He is just so talented. 6'4. Strong on the puck. He isn't overly punishing, but he is definitely a "PF".

Like 19 of 20 times when we talk about players, its in reality players that are to a extent a result of the environment they have been in. Like Brad Richards. Sure, he really gets the work done, but in reality he just aint that talented (but able to be great if put in a good environment still). But with Nash you get so much every shift, even if its enough to get him on the board he is still able to carry a team, get the puck up ice, challenge D's, force the team he plays against to always make sure that they have their best D's on the ice against him and so forth.

But Rich Nash undoubtedly is a super talented player. Overall. In all aspects. Skating. Stickhandling. Shooting. Size. Hockey sense.

I personally think that a mix of a few irrelevant factors really has turned many fans into being negative on this player. Like Carmelo Anthorny (!??) (no comparisions can be done between the player and the sport really). Redden/Gomez/Drury (these guys were not talented. Rich Nash is a mega talent). Stats. The same people crapped on Kovalchuk when he couldn't score last season for NJ. Ouuchh imagine being stuck with him for x years. For long stretches, he has been the only one looking good for them...

Nash would really give this team a chance to win a cup. Trust me.


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What about Colby Armstrong for real cheap to play 4th line?

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For both the Rangers and Flyers are involved in discussions regarding both Columbus’ Rick Nash and Anaheim’s Bobby Ryan.

The Rangers, who are believed to have quarantined Chris Kreider, Ryan McDonagh, Marc Staal and Derek Stepan (in addition to Ryan Callahan, Dan Girardi and Henrik Lundqvist) probably don’t have enough young NHL-ready talent available in order to get Ryan, the 25-year-old with three years remaining on his contract at an annual $5.1 million cap charge.

Anaheim is not believed to have interest in Brandon Dubinsky ($4.2M cap hit), who would be one of the pieces going the other way in a hypothetical deal for Nash that won’t occur unless Columbus general manager Scott Howson slashes his asking price for the 28-year-old with six years at $7.8M per season remaining on his contract.

Including Stepan in an offer for Ryan would pique the interest of Anaheim GM Bob Murray, who is seeking a second-line center behind Ryan Getzlaf. But moving Stepan would leave the Rangers with either Dubinsky or Artem Anisimov as the putative second-line pivot on the summer roster.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...#ixzz1zI4QyV00

Columbus wants a forward to be THE main piece coming back in a deal for Nash. They want multiple forwards. 2 top 6 forwards.

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What happened to Portzline's tweet? No follow up.

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So now those "Staal for Ryan" proposals can stop. Or pretty much any scenario that has Staal being traded.

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What about Colby Armstrong for real cheap to play 4th line?
i wouldnt mind him at all....

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I could be wrong for sure, but normally I am pretty critical/skeptical and the only time really I like someone more than others its when it comes to some reclamation projects/very cheap deadline pickups like Zidlicky or Hemsky.

But I personally definitely think that Rich Nash is the real deal and that he must blow, if not all, atleast many, nay-sayers away if he comes here.

He is just so talented. 6'4. Strong on the puck. He isn't overly punishing, but he is definitely a "PF".

Like 19 of 20 times when we talk about players, its in reality players that are to a extent a result of the environment they have been in. Like Brad Richards. Sure, he really gets the work done, but in reality he just aint that talented (but able to be great if put in a good environment still). But with Nash you get so much every shift, even if its enough to get him on the board he is still able to carry a team, get the puck up ice, challenge D's, force the team he plays against to always make sure that they have their best D's on the ice against him and so forth.

But Rich Nash undoubtedly is a super talented player. Overall. In all aspects. Skating. Stickhandling. Shooting. Size. Hockey sense.

I personally think that a mix of a few irrelevant factors really has turned many fans into being negative on this player. Like Carmelo Anthorny (!??) (no comparisions can be done between the player and the sport really). Redden/Gomez/Drury (these guys were not talented. Rich Nash is a mega talent). Stats. The same people crapped on Kovalchuk when he couldn't score last season for NJ. Ouuchh imagine being stuck with him for x years. For long stretches, he has been the only one looking good for them...

Nash would really give this team a chance to win a cup. Trust me.
You have been consistent in your support of Nash but have you seen a lot of him recently? I haven't watched Columbus play more than a few times over the last two years but I've come away thinking Nash is not the same player he was a few seasons ago. I think he's still an interesting option as long as the price in terms of trade pieces is cheap.

My first choice is to go after Parise. Ryan would cost more than Nash in terms of a trade but the cap hit is very attractive. And I'm still thinking Hudler should be in the mix. Looks like he's not signing with Detroit before free agency opens. The guy has put up a lot of his numbers at even strength and I think he's legit.

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06-30-2012, 11:20 AM
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that was my concern...he scored 22 a few years ago so adding that potential offensive depth to the 4th line would be great but i'm not sure how much of a concern his injuries should be.

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Colby Armstrong is the dirtiest player in the NHL...makes Subban look like a Lady Byng candidate...but he certainly has spirit and he is also very injury prone . I would definitely hate playing against Armstrong .

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Colby Armstrong is the dirtiest player in the NHL...makes Subban look like a Lady Byng candidate...but he certainly has spirit and he is also very injury prone . I would definitely hate playing against Armstrong .
what are some examples that make him the 'dirtiest player in the nhl'?? i can't say you are wrong but i'm not remembering any incidents either and his pim aren't that high

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what are some examples that make him the 'dirtiest player in the nhl'?? i can't say you are wrong but i'm not remembering any incidents either and his pim aren't that high









id love him on the Rangers if he can replace some spunk that Prust brought and would be cheaper

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Him injuring Gaborik magically makes him a dirty player? Please. That wasn't dirty at all, not even a hit. He pinned him against the boards hard. Gaborik is weak.

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Him injuring Gaborik magically makes him a dirty player? Please. That wasn't dirty at all, not even a hit. He pinned him against the boards hard. Gaborik is weak.
that was a joke....i posted the Gaborik video mainly because that wasnt that dirty of a hit. he isnt Cooke but he plays on the edge. he would be a fan favorite on NYR

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There was a headshot to an Ottawa Senator D-man when he was with Pittsburgh.

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what are some examples that make him the 'dirtiest player in the nhl'?? i can't say you are wrong but i'm not remembering any incidents either and his pim aren't that high
Colby Armstrong is very dirty. Always going high.

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Colby Armstrong is a bit of a cheap shot artist, he aims for the head a lot. He's been suspended for elbowing before. Maybe he's changed because he's suffered a concussion before, but that's not always the case.

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id love him on the Rangers if he can replace some spunk that Prust brought and would be cheaper
ah forgot he was the one that injured gabby...

but i gotta be honest,those clips make me in more interested in him as a bottom 6 depth guy if you think that his health isn't too big of a concern.

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You have been consistent in your support of Nash but have you seen a lot of him recently? I haven't watched Columbus play more than a few times over the last two years but I've come away thinking Nash is not the same player he was a few seasons ago. I think he's still an interesting option as long as the price in terms of trade pieces is cheap.

My first choice is to go after Parise. Ryan would cost more than Nash in terms of a trade but the cap hit is very attractive. And I'm still thinking Hudler should be in the mix. Looks like he's not signing with Detroit before free agency opens. The guy has put up a lot of his numbers at even strength and I think he's legit.
I agree with you, but that's performance no ability. Everyone have up and down years. The last while, CBJ has sucked tremendously.

I just don't think it's that negative if a player the age of Nash does not, year after year, play well for 82 games per season when you have NOTHING to play for. Stamkos can do it the age he is. Nash could do it at that age.

Torts would have the work cut out for him for sure.

But let's say Nash would have played for a decent team instead of the joke of the league -- he would of course NEVER be available. Never.

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"do u really think Nash is either past his prime or declining at 28..?"
Well his stats have been declining for the past 3 yrs. He isn't as explosive as he was when he was younger. So yes, I do think he's going to decline.

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Dude if they ALL hit their potential, with or without Nash we wouldn't be able to afford them all anyway
I'm not sure what you mean by 'potential'. Stepan is already a good 2nd line 2-way center, McDonagh is a #1 shutdown defenseman with offensive capablities, Lundqvist and Gaborik are already top tier NHL players and Del Zotto just broke out with a 40 point season while playing good defense. There is more potential, but they are all good hockey players.

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