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My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.500m)
Eric Tangradi ($0.600m) / Dustin Jeffrey ($0.575m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m)
Craig Adams ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.500m) / Kris Letang ($3.500m)
Brooks Orpik ($3.750m) / Matt Niskanen ($2.750m)
Simon Despres ($0.840m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.550m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,348,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $851,667
You'd have to dump Kennedy and Martin though to make it fit.
Not sure how people feel about Pyatt as a 3rd liner. He's a bigger bodied player and was 4th on Phoenix last season in hits (137) so he's not afraid to use his size (6'4"). I also wonder if his offensive numbers would get a boost here since he'd be playing with better offensive players than in Phoenix and we play a more up tempo style of game. He also shouldn't be asking for too much of a raise considering his output last year.
I'd be okay with a Pyatt or Travis Moen to add some size and toughness to the bottom 6.
Main problem, like you said, is spending too much on the top 2 lines gives us limited money for the bottom 2.. Curious, who do you have on your 1st line, if you have Dupuis on the 3rd?
I would love Tootoo at 1.3, I see him getting a decent raise though.
Less to show who, more to show what we can afford. 8.5 for two wingers for Sid. 3.2m for two 3rd line wingers, and ~2m for 4th line wingers. Obviously if some one gets signed for a bit less, or Dupuis plays the 3rd wheel in the top 6 (which isn't the end of the world - I'd just rather see something else), then there's a bit more to spend.
Moen will likely get 1.5-2.0. Tootoo won't likely get more than 1.4-1.6. Might take a tad less (1.3), but I doubt it. Burish would likely go for less than 1.0. I'm sure there's a ton of other options to fill out the bottom 6 with the idea that they can skate, be physical and a ***** to play against. These are just a couple of the names that come to mind off the top of my head.
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Someone ($4.500m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / Someone ($4.000m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m)
Craig Adams ($0.675m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Someone ($1.300m)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.575m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Ryan Suter ($7.500m)
Brooks Orpik ($3.750m) / Matt Niskanen ($2.750m)
Simon Despres ($0.840m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
Brian Strait ($0.700m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,698,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $501,667
I'd be okay with a Pyatt or Travis Moen to add some size and toughness to the bottom 6.
He also has a 20 goal season under his belt, all be it a few seasons ago. Yet he did score 18 the season before this past one.
I just want to get bigger, especially in the bottom 6. If we swap Kennedy for a guy like Pyatt we'd get bigger and save $500K. The offensive production might dip a bit, but we'd be making up for that with adding a guy like Parise anyway.
I'd only be mad if we picked up Suter and he wasn't dealt. Right now we really can't afford to deal him and not bring in a replacement. Too many green players on the back end in that scenario.
Same - that would mean no Parise becase you're not affording Parise-Suter-Martin, that's for sure.
If Martin doesn't get dealt, how furious will people be? On a scale of 1-10?
I really want Martin to go. But my dream, and along with every Pens fan, is to somehow get Parise and Suter. And if that happens, it doesn't matter because Martin is done.
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Less to show who, more to show what we can afford. 8.5 for two wingers for Sid. 3.2m for two 3rd line wingers, and ~2m for 4th line wingers. Obviously if some one gets signed for a bit less, or Dupuis plays the 3rd wheel in the top 6 (which isn't the end of the world - I'd just rather see something else), then there's a bit more to spend.
Moen will likely get 1.5-2.0. Tootoo won't likely get more than 1.4-1.6. Might take a tad less (1.3), but I doubt it. Burish would likely go for less than 1.0. I'm sure there's a ton of other options to fill out the bottom 6 with the idea that they can skate, be physical and a ***** to play against. These are just a couple of the names that come to mind off the top of my head.
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Someone ($4.500m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / Someone ($4.000m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m)
Craig Adams ($0.675m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Someone ($1.300m)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.575m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Ryan Suter ($7.500m)
Brooks Orpik ($3.750m) / Matt Niskanen ($2.750m)
Simon Despres ($0.840m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
Brian Strait ($0.700m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,698,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $501,667
I see what you're doing, I would just rather have 1 great player than 2 good ones. Ideally, I would love to have Dups on the 3rd line myself.. trust me I've seen him flub enough golden chances on the top line.. but he just makes the most sense if we can get ZP.
If Martin doesn't get dealt, how furious will people be? On a scale of 1-10?
Like Burgundy said. Depends on who's signed. I don't think it would be the end of the world... I'm just not sure how our D would work if we kept him... Doesn't look very physical, or tough to play against. And that's specifically the 2nd pairing - even if it's Despres on there.
Letang Orpik
Martin Niskanen/Despres
Despres/Niskanen Engelland
I love Niskanen. I see him as a lesser version of Letang. Can skate, hit, pass, shoot and is sound in his own zone. At least that's how he looked to me last season. However I don't think he's big/physical enough to make up for Martin's complete lack of it. Perhaps if Martin was paired with Engelland, I could handle that... however Martin is capable of eating up 22+ minutes a game... Engelland isn't.
Edit. I almost wonder if it's time to move Engelland, and sign/trade for someone who's more like Allen (easiest example) who can play closer to 18/19 minutes, and use Engelland's spot for someone like Strait/Despres/Bort. If Martin stays, I think this is more the route that Shero takes. Although at least with Martin in the fold, Niskanen's puck skills might be redundant??
Letang - Orpik
Martin - Allen
Niskanen/Despres - Despres/Engelland
I have a question, what would Boston want for Boychuck, Mcquaid and Paille.
Would Martin, TK, and Cal O'Reilly do it?
Chiarelli almost falls asleep until Cal O'Reilly's name comes up, then he's all ears.
Seriously though, no. Pens fans want it both ways: "Martin sucks" and "Martin has a ton of value, are you kidding me?". People should make up their minds. Regardless of that do you see any Dmen on Boston that fit Martin's description? They'd want no part of him and for good reason. Chiarelli would be an idiot to do this.
Chiarelli almost falls asleep until Cal O'Reilly's name comes up, then he's all ears.
Seriously though, no. Pens fans want it both ways: "Martin sucks" and "Martin has a ton of value, are you kidding me?". People should make up their minds. Regardless of that do you see any Dmen on Boston that fit Martin's description? They'd want no part of him and for good reason. Chiarelli would be an idiot to do this.
Martin is a decent hockey player and we all though he was great the first year, it was one bad year and he was our scapegoat for an average defense.
Martin would play great with Chara, TK could fill out their bottom six and apparently O'Reilly wasn't qualified so someone else would have to go.
Chiarelli almost falls asleep until Cal O'Reilly's name comes up, then he's all ears.
Seriously though, no. Pens fans want it both ways: "Martin sucks" and "Martin has a ton of value, are you kidding me?". People should make up their minds. Regardless of that do you see any Dmen on Boston that fit Martin's description? They'd want no part of him and for good reason. Chiarelli would be an idiot to do this.
Martin does suck, he also has a ton of value. That's why we want to move him. I don't see why these two are mutually exclusive.
What package do you think could bring those 3 here
Nothing that we want to part with. I believe they just re-signed Paille so they obviously like him. Boychuck is probably worth close to Martin by himself and I doubt they'd trade for Martin in any case. Point is, those are 3 guys that play physical and are hard to play against. We can't get them for our cast aways. It's just not a realistic trade scenario.
Martin does suck, he also has a ton of value. That's why we want to move him. I don't see why these two are mutually exclusive.
Then he doesn't suck. They are mutually exclusive. Players that suck don't have a ton of value. Now you could say he sucked last year or he sucks in this system. None of that means he sucks though.
Kuhn has far more value to this winger-strapped team than any other offer would fetch us. Tossing away a potential blue-chipper like that for nothing - is craziness. Just because he got suspended in Junior doesn't mean he's worthless all of a sudden.
We trade him in a package for anything less than Ryan in the next calendar year, I will be livid.
Kuhn has far more value to this winger-strapped team than any other offer would fetch us. Tossing away a potential blue-chipper like that for nothing - is craziness. Just because he got suspended in Junior doesn't mean he's worthless all of a sudden.
We trade him in a package for anything less than Ryan in the next calendar year, I will be livid.
I don't think he's worthless, those three players are pretty decent and would fit in our system quite well, and we'd have to give something up to get em
Depending on the D, you're going to run into cap issues. Anything more than 8.5 up front and ~4.5/5.0m for the wingers of the bottom 6 and things get tight right quick. Best case you have 5.4 or so for your bottom 6 wingers, and are spending ~10m for top 6 wingers. Something like this means either no Suter, or no Orpik/Niskanen. Or just move Cooke.
