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06-26-2012, 10:47 PM
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Ryan Clowe
Taylor Doherty


Marc-Andre Bourdon
Tye Mcginn
1st 2013

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06-26-2012, 10:49 PM
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Good value. I like this trade.

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06-26-2012, 10:52 PM
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This might work if we replaced Clowe. But adding more D isn't what we need. We need help on the wing these days

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06-26-2012, 11:07 PM
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Hmm... I don't know much about Bourdon but having another McGinn would be nice. I can see Clowe doing very well in Philly, he fits the physical system and his lack of speed wouldn't hurt the Flyers as much as it hurt the Sharks this year. I'd probably do it.

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06-26-2012, 11:22 PM
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Value may be there but none of the pieces will help the Sharks next year. If I had to rank Bourdon with our d-men, he'd be 8th and I don't ever see him getting better than 3rd pairing d-man. McGinn will never get past 3rd line level if he makes it. The 1st may be compelling and Doherty from our side is nothing special as it is. The biggest problem is that this trade doesn't make the Sharks better next year. It merely opens up a spot to make another trade to address it. That could definitely happen but even if you do this type of trade first, they need better potential/ceiling than this.

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06-26-2012, 11:35 PM
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Ryan Clowe
Taylor Doherty


Marc-Andre Bourdon
Tye Mcginn
1st 2013
Not bad, but a pass from the Sharks. Someone should/will be willing to overpay for Clowe.

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06-26-2012, 11:41 PM
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This is an interesting trade, and I love Clowe's game. But do we really need to be adding veteran ($) forwards at the expense of a first rounder right now? We have enough young talent at forward and they're going to have to get paid soon enough.

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PHI:
Ryan Clowe
Taylor Doherty
Jason Demers

SJS:
Marc-Andre Bourdon
Tye Mcginn
Harry Zolnierczyk
1st 2013
4th 2013
2nd 2014


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06-26-2012, 11:42 PM
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We need true wingers in our top 6. If we trade Clowe, we better get a top6 caliber winger in return. I don't see a possible top 6 winger in your package.

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06-26-2012, 11:49 PM
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We need true wingers in our top 6. If we trade Clowe, we better get a top6 caliber winger in return. I don't see a possible top 6 winger in your package.
That's unlikely. We are not going to trade a top-6 caliber winger for a top-6 caliber winger, that would be extremely rare (except in the case of elite players for prospects).

It really depends on what we do in free agency. If for instance we got Suter, it would make more sense to trade Boyle for a top-6 winger, then trade Clowe for picks/prospects. If we got Doan and/or Nash, same thing. So there is no harm in discussing it.

That said, I'd really prefer forward prospects in general.

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06-26-2012, 11:59 PM
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Could we do something around Boyle for Voracek+ or is that unreasonable?

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06-27-2012, 12:14 AM
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we need to win now ... this doesn't get us closer to that

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06-27-2012, 12:18 AM
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Could we do something around Boyle for Voracek+ or is that unreasonable?
Honestly I think Boyle is a great D man and would LOVE him on the Flyers, but Voracek is considered untouchable by many Flyers fans, including myself, along with Giroux, the Schenns, and Couturier.

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06-27-2012, 12:29 AM
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Honestly I think Boyle is a great D man and would LOVE him on the Flyers, but Voracek is considered untouchable by many Flyers fans, including myself, along with Giroux, the Schenns, and Couturier.
If Read is available, the Sharks would be interested.

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06-27-2012, 12:31 AM
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Could we do something around Boyle for Voracek+ or is that unreasonable?
That's very reasonable. Unfortunately I think I am pretty unreasonable when it comes to Voracek.

I would certainly prefer that as a starting point to work from than the trade they actually did for schenn.

As for Read....he's certainly available afaic for the right price. Make an offer...

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Honestly I think Boyle is a great D man and would LOVE him on the Flyers, but Voracek is considered untouchable by many Flyers fans, including myself, along with Giroux, the Schenns, and Couturier.
Ok - fair enough. Would you do a package around Read and Simmonds for Boyle or is that too much?

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06-27-2012, 05:00 AM
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Too much. Must be Boyle+ for Read+ or similar value. Boyle highly upgrades an already upgraded d-core--for 1 or 2 seasons, but he alters cap play for '13. Voracek, Read, and Simmonds are all young productive roster players with potential; no two may leave without years of production coming back.

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06-27-2012, 05:11 AM
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Ok - fair enough. Would you do a package around Read and Simmonds for Boyle or is that too much?
Read+3-5rounder to Clowe is fair. Read is very cheap over 20 goal scorer. Trade will give you more cap space and good player, to us it give physicality and experience and 20 goals. To this we can put Mezza and upgrade 3-5 rounder to 1 and 2 round pick if you but Boyle+Murray. If that isnt enough you can maybe get f or d prospect.

So we get very good defend to Philly upcoming season.

Kimmo-Boyle
Grosman-Coburn
Murray-Schenn

with offense:

Hartsy-G-xxx(Doan,Ryan)
Clowe-Briere-Voracek
Schenn-Couts-Simmonds
Talbot-xxx(Gaustad,Ott,Tootoo)-Rinaldo/Sestosito

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06-27-2012, 08:28 AM
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PHI:
Ryan Clowe
Taylor Doherty
Jason Demers

SJS:
Marc-Andre Bourdon
Tye Mcginn
Harry Zolnierczyk
1st 2013
4th 2013
2nd 2014
That's not at all tempting. The first deal didn't interest me because the most valuable piece was a late first. Bourdon will never be better than Braun or Demers, so he's useless, Tye McGinn is not a good prospect at all, and I don't want Zolnoierczyk anywhere near this team, especially at the cost of Demers.

If Clowe goes to Philly, minimum Simmonds has to come back. Otherwise, there are a lot of teams that could beat that offer easily.

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06-27-2012, 08:32 AM
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Due respect but I think San Jose can get a better deal to help them win now than is siggested by the OP, should we be about to trade Clowe + a prospect.

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that would be extremely rare (except in the case of elite players for prospects).
Unless that winger is Heatley.

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Ok - fair enough. Would you do a package around Read and Simmonds for Boyle or is that too much?
I wouldn't. That would deplete our forward depth. Plus there's a rumor circulating that a deal with Carle will be done July 1st, when tagging space doesn't matter.

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I wouldn't do this trade, but I'm not violently opposed to it like I was when we gave away Jamie McGinn.

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That's not at all tempting.

If Clowe goes to Philly, minimum Simmonds has to come back. Otherwise, there are a lot of teams that could beat that offer easily.
Precisely how much do you think Clowe is worth? Simmonds had 28 goals this year and is younger, a better skater, an rfa. If you got simmonds for clowe straight up you'd be doing well.

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Precisely how much do you think Clowe is worth? Simmonds had 28 goals this year and is younger, a better skater, an rfa. If you got simmonds for clowe straight up you'd be doing well.
Simmonds had 28 goals in a very open, offensive system in Philly. He's struggle to get 20 in a more defensive system like SJ. Clowe's coming off a year where he struggled with injuries and where he never really had a consistent RW. He's much more valuable than what last year's numbers would indicate.

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