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06-29-2012, 11:42 AM
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I don't think that's the Florida package. That's where we disagree. Florida, IMO, just has way more intriguing prospect to offer. The deepest prospect pool in the NHL and even taking out their top 3 guys there are some players that can help us down the road at the forward position. I have yet to see a Toronto offer that actually improves the Canucks and that should be Gillis' goal.
Bingo. Kulemin is so far the only piece I can honestly say improves us now...and even then it isn't by a wide margin. The prospects we've been offered pale in comparison to what Florida can surrender (not counting the big 3, or 4, or 6 depending on who is counting and calling it), and even the cap dumps are a positional need for us in Kopecky or Upshall.

I'm still interested in Lombardi as a temp solution to our Kesler injury, depending on how free agency plays out, but we'd be looking at a roster spot, probably Kellan Tochkin, and a low pick. He is the best fit of Leafs players that have been offered....and he's the cap dump.

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I still can't figure it out. Unless 1 of these 2 facts are true:

1. Luongo has stated FLA only.
2.Absolute blind hate between Gillis/Burke

It amases me that an Upshall, 2nd tier prospect,and a 2nd is favoured by Nucks fans over many of the Leaf proposals. (i'm not talking about the Komi and a 5th type)
The only decent proposals are from Canucks fans that Leafs fans shoot down immediately. I personally am higher on Kadri than most I guess, but your fanbase is reluctant to trade any significant piece like him.

Instead the best you give is Colborne, 2nd and a worse cap dump. Also, even if Florida doesn't give up much, you can bet Burke would have given an even more pathetic package. Funny thing is Toronto is the team that needs a goalie, Florida merely wants one. Sadly Brian Burke has never valued goaltending and for your teams sake, hopefully Nonis can speak some sense into him.

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Agreed. Luongo did a lot of great things for Vancouver and I'd like to see him land in a good spot and where he is close to family. I have a lot of respect for the guy and wish him nothing but the best. I think he'd be in tough in Toronto.
I think it's been what, 7 years since TO made the playoffs? That is a lot of pressure for one guy and I am not sure Luongo would waive his NTC to go to TO.

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06-29-2012, 11:49 AM
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The only decent proposals are from Canucks fans that Leafs fans shoot down immediately. I personally am higher on Kadri than most I guess, but your fanbase is reluctant to trade any significant piece like him.

Instead the best you give is Colborne, 2nd and a worse cap dump. Also, even if Florida doesn't give up much, you can bet Burke would have given an even more pathetic package. Funny thing is Toronto is the team that needs a goalie, Florida merely wants one. Sadly Brian Burke has never valued goaltending and for your teams sake, hopefully Nonis can speak some sense into him.
And Vancouver is the team that needs to trade Luongo. I just can't see them going into next season with Luongo and Schneider. If Burke is patient and waits, the price should be relatively cheap without having to give up anything significant of value, dependent on Florida not wanting Luongo(which I don't think they really do). I can see something like Armstrong and a 2nd or something similar.

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And Vancouver is the team that needs to trade Luongo. I just can't see them going into next season with Luongo and Schneider. If Burke is patient and waits, the price should be relatively cheap without having to give up anything significant of value, dependent on Florida not wanting Luongo(which I don't think they really do). I can see something like Armstrong and a 2nd or something similar.
Vancouver doesn't NEED to trade Luongo. Want and need are to different words and meanings.

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06-29-2012, 11:51 AM
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And Vancouver is the team that needs to trade Luongo. I just can't see them going into next season with Luongo and Schneider. If Burke is patient and waits, the price should be relatively cheap without having to give up anything significant of value, dependent on Florida not wanting Luongo(which I don't think they really do). I can see something like Armstrong and a 2nd or something similar.
Haha good luck with that.

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Agreed. Luongo did a lot of great things for Vancouver and I'd like to see him land in a good spot and where he is close to family. I have a lot of respect for the guy and wish him nothing but the best. I think he'd be in tough in Toronto.
Oddly enough, for a big market with media overkill, Toronto is pretty easy on its goalies, provided they are even decent. Guys like Potvin, Fuhr, Joseph and Belfour were not only given a free ride in town, they were almost worshiped. You still see Potvin, Joseph and Belfour jerseys around town.

If he was traded here, I think he would be THE fan favourite and the biggest jersey seller. I know I'd buy one tomorrow....

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And Vancouver is the team that needs to trade Luongo. I just can't see them going into next season with Luongo and Schneider. If Burke is patient and waits, the price should be relatively cheap without having to give up anything significant of value, dependent on Florida not wanting Luongo(which I don't think they really do). I can see something like Armstrong and a 2nd or something similar.
We'll see. I think that Burke will make another offer.

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06-29-2012, 11:56 AM
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Oddly enough, for a big market with media overkill, Toronto is pretty easy on its goalies, provided they are even decent. Guys like Potvin, Fuhr, Joseph and Belfour were not only given a free ride in town, they were almost worshiped. You still see Potvin, Joseph and Belfour jerseys around town.

If he was traded here, I think he would be THE fan favourite and the biggest jersey seller. I know I'd buy one tomorrow....
This is what thoroughly confuses me. He would be appreciated, even if it is just initially, and instantly makes your team better, but every leaf fan is thinking we "need" to trade him, and will only offer a pittance, even if it at a position of strength. It may all be a moot point if the reports of Luongo only wanting to go to Florida are true, but like the gentleman above posted with his "Armstrong and a 2nd", or the famous, and probably never seriously offered, "Komisarek and a 5th"...there are all kinds of reasons to to this, and 0 for the Canucks.

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06-29-2012, 11:57 AM
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I don't think that's the Florida package. That's where we disagree. Florida, IMO, just has way more intriguing prospect to offer. The deepest prospect pool in the NHL and even taking out their top 3 guys there are some players that can help us down the road at the forward position. I have yet to see a Toronto offer that actually improves the Canucks and that should be Gillis' goal.
Back a few Bond titles ago, that was the exact package that Van fans stated they would take over any Leaf proposals.

Here is a question, Leaf fans brought up Clarke Macarthur and were told that Upshall was a way better choice.

Let me break this down:

Upshall shoots left, last season 26gp 5pts carreer high 61gp 30pts. Signed until 2015 with a cap hit of 3.5 per.

Macarthur shoots left, last season 73gp 43pts carreer high 82gp 62pts. Signed until 2013 with a cap hit of 3.25 per.

Now if both offers had said player with a prospect and a 2nd, how is FLA's offer better?

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Oddly enough, for a big market with media overkill, Toronto is pretty easy on its goalies, provided they are even decent. Guys like Potvin, Fuhr, Joseph and Belfour were not only given a free ride in town, they were almost worshiped. You still see Potvin, Joseph and Belfour jerseys around town.

If he was traded here, I think he would be THE fan favourite and the biggest jersey seller. I know I'd buy one tomorrow....
Exactly.

I know a lot of people hate the Canucks, and Lu has his detractors, but the guy is a legit superstar.

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This is what thoroughly confuses me. He would be appreciated, even if it is just initially, and instantly makes your team better, but every leaf fan is thinking we "need" to trade him, and will only offer a pittance, even if it at a position of strength. It may all be a moot point if the reports of Luongo only wanting to go to Florida are true, but like the gentleman above posted with his "Armstrong and a 2nd", or the famous, and probably never seriously offered, "Komisarek and a 5th"...there are all kinds of reasons to to this, and 0 for the Canucks.
Well, in fairness, Vancouver does have to trade Luongo. Not today, not tomorrow, but they will need to trade him before training camp. A Stanley Cup contender does not need this sort of distraction right out of camp. Again, I think that is why Schneider's deal is "in principle". Once Lu is gone, he signs.

Luongo makes the team better, sure, but not by giving up significent pieces of the future. If the Leafs were a contender, yes, I would pull the trigger tomorrow. But it is obvious what Burke is doing with this team, and giving up a Gardiner or 5th overall (pre draft) goes against the blueprint Burke is running off of. We get the jokes, all those years out of the playoffs, 45 years without a Cup, goaltending. They're funny. But in a couple of years, as these kids really start to develop, you are going to see the changes in both performance and standing. Not many will be laughing, but it is taking more time than we had all hoped. Even with Luongo, the Leafs aren't contending for at least two years, so I don't see the point of giving up significant assets for him. That's just me though.

I think his heart is on Florida, so not sure if anything relating to Toronto matters anymore.

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In all fairness, Burke will first make an offer to Brodeur, then try to convince Tim Thomas to play next year, then see if he can get Niemi or Theodore for cheap, and if all fails he'll make his offer for Luongo.

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Again, I think that is why Schneider's deal is "in principle". Once Lu is gone, he signs.
It's no longer in principle though.

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Back a few Bond titles ago, that was the exact package that Van fans stated they would take over any Leaf proposals.

Here is a question, Leaf fans brought up Clarke Macarthur and were told that Upshall was a way better choice.

Let me break this down:

Upshall shoots left, last season 26gp 5pts carreer high 61gp 30pts. Signed until 2015 with a cap hit of 3.5 per.

Macarthur shoots left, last season 73gp 43pts carreer high 82gp 62pts. Signed until 2013 with a cap hit of 3.25 per.

Now if both offers had said player with a prospect and a 2nd, how is FLA's offer better?
Because MacArthur does not improve this team in any, shape or form. We need upgrades in our top 6 (think Doan) or more toughness in our bottom 6.

We have another tweeners.

Upshall scores at a lower rate (scoring isn't really an issue for Vancouver), but is far tougher and provides grit. We could use that.

Again - I just can't stress this enough, we have absolutely no need or use for MacArthur. No Canuck fan wants him, and I'm sure Gillis doesn't either.

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How long will it take before Markstrom gets handed the reins in Florida though? Getting Luongo with the length of his contract would eventually put Florida in the same position Vancouver is in now though, right?

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In all fairness, Burke will first make an offer to Brodeur, then try to convince Tim Thomas to play next year, then see if he can get Niemi or Theodore for cheap, and if all fails he'll make his offer for Luongo.
Hopefully thats how Burke thinks too for the sake of your franchise.

Brodeur wants to win, Thomas doesn't even want to play, San Jose already has brutal goaltending, and Florida also wants to upgrade.

Good luck next season. Its odd because I think Toronto has a good enough team to make the playoffs next season, just like they did this season. You fixed one problem with the firing of your coach.

The last problem you need to fix I doubt Burke will admit to it even being a problem

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Someone post some Luongo to New Jersey proposals, please.

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Because MacArthur does not improve this team in any, shape or form. We need upgrades in our top 6 (think Doan) or more toughness in our bottom 6.

We have another tweeners.

Upshall scores at a lower rate (scoring isn't really an issue for Vancouver), but is far tougher and provides grit. We could use that.

Again - I just can't stress this enough, we have absolutely no need or use for MacArthur. No Canuck fan wants him, and I'm sure Gillis doesn't either.
My point wasn't to force any player on you...hey, if you've got a hard-on for a player who the past 2 seasons has played 21 and 26 games and never played more than 61 in a season, signed till 2015 and a 3.5 cap then by all means trade him to FLA. Hell, if it's no offence and grit you need, i'll send Orr and Rosehill your way.

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Someone post some Luongo to New Jersey proposals, please.
alright just for u

To NJD:
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rights to Parise

Parise signs for a the same cap hit as the Sedins

fantasy dream trade over!

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Back a few Bond titles ago, that was the exact package that Van fans stated they would take over any Leaf proposals.

Here is a question, Leaf fans brought up Clarke Macarthur and were told that Upshall was a way better choice.

Let me break this down:

Upshall shoots left, last season 26gp 5pts carreer high 61gp 30pts. Signed until 2015 with a cap hit of 3.5 per.

Macarthur shoots left, last season 73gp 43pts carreer high 82gp 62pts. Signed until 2013 with a cap hit of 3.25 per.

Now if both offers had said player with a prospect and a 2nd, how is FLA's offer better?
Would come down to the prospect for Canuck fans. Upshall and MacArthur are pretty interchangeable. Upshall is from Western Canada and played junior in Kamloops. Had some decent seasons in the past. MacArthur has accomplished much more recently.

The Leafs seem to be grasping tightly to they're top prospects and Leaf (like Canuck and most Canadian teams) prospects are normally overrated. Panthers have the best prospect pool in the league. The chances of us getting a high-end prospect in return are much greater from Florida.

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Someone post some Luongo to New Jersey proposals, please.
luongo for a signed parise
kind've like the wideman deal

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alright just for u

To NJD:
Luongo

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rights to Parise

Parise signs for a the same cap hit as the Sedins

fantasy dream trade over!
damn you beat me to it

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Luongo
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damn you beat me to it
just change ur's to rights to Brodeur along with Parise and now u have a new proposal since he did say proposals

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