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Least fair method of acquiring talent

View Poll Results: What is the least fair way of acquiring talent?
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06-29-2012, 04:50 PM
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sure it couldn't, after decades of trying to buy the Cup...
Which looks more pathetic? Trying to build a team by spending money that was earned by our fans loyalty, or trying to build a team from lottery picks earned from tanking, and when one of the picks wouldn't even have went to Pittsburgh if there wasn't a lockout?

Before you answer, remember my question is for at the time. Obviously looking back on it now, it didn't work for us.

Why should we not be allowed to buy our players? Our loyalty throughout the years, with our ridiculous ticket prices, pays for it.

If the Penguins had as much of a history as the Rangers with selling out and having astronomical ticket prices, you would think it's UNFAIR for your own team to put that money back into the team?

Do you not want to sign Parise or Suter because it's unfair? Now that Pittsburgh is doing well financially, you don't want them to spend?

Too ****ing bad to the majority of the league that their fans don't buy tickets and their team doesn't want to spend. If the Islanders sold out consistently, they wouldn't spend money? I thought it was unfair?

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06-29-2012, 06:43 PM
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1. Drafted UFA: been beaten to death already, not even gonna write this one up

2. Draft lottery: Due to the NHL drafting young compared to other leagues, most of the top talent aren't ready to make a major impact for multiple years, so some teams will naturally end up with a bit of a monopoly on top young talent for a while. There's not much you can really do to avoid it except make the lottery more random by opening up the 1st overall to more than just 5 teams, even then it can still happen. Or increase the draft age so drafting for need becomes a legit strategy, but that's a whole other discussion.

3. Rest of draft: Pretty fair, I wouldn't mind if they snaked the later rounds a bit, maybe 5, 6, and 7 at least, but it's not a major deal. Teams who can scout and develop talent well will excel, which is great because that's the type of behavior that we want.

4. Free agency: All teams have a legit chance to acquire the player. Easily the most fair, but only because of the RFA years that teams get, otherwise it would be a complete gong show.

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06-30-2012, 01:14 AM
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the Rangers way ainec for me...
Rebuilding without tanking, signing some big name UFAs to try to get over the top, and finding late round gems?

That's been the Rangers philosophy since the lockout, and especially since 2009.

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06-30-2012, 06:29 AM
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Which looks more pathetic? Trying to build a team by spending money that was earned by our fans loyalty, or trying to build a team from lottery picks earned from tanking, and when one of the picks wouldn't even have went to Pittsburgh if there wasn't a lockout?
loyalty? your fanbase is no more loyal than any other average nhl fanbase. your population of 20 million + / - makes you APPEAR more loyal...to stupid people. quadruple the size of MSG's seating capacity, and maybe i'll be impressed with ranger fan "loyalty" if they continue to sell out.

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sure it couldn't, after decades of trying to buy the Cup...
I don't really see how drafting Top 5 five times in a row and lucking into 2 generational players is any more noble than signing free agents.

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06-30-2012, 10:59 AM
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loyalty? your fanbase is no more loyal than any other average nhl fanbase. your population of 20 million + / - makes you APPEAR more loyal...to stupid people. quadruple the size of MSG's seating capacity, and maybe i'll be impressed with ranger fan "loyalty" if they continue to sell out.
Our team was never on the verge of moving to KC. The Rangers and Penguins were both terrible in 2004.

NYR's AVG attendance: 18,080...just a little less than capacity
PIT's AVG attendance: 11,878

But Rangers fans are only loyal because there's a huge population in the NY metro area, right? 2 Million people in Pittsburgh can't fill an 18,000 seat arena?

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Count me as none of the above. Every team operates under the same rules when it comes to acquiring talent, and none of the options listed are inherently unfair in any way.
Exactly, if it's within the rules and obviously teams can only acquire players within the rules none of them "is the least or best fair."

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07-01-2012, 12:22 AM
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sure it couldn't, after decades of trying to buy the Cup...
The only team with whom people get bitter over them NOT winning is the New York Rangers

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loyalty? your fanbase is no more loyal than any other average nhl fanbase. your population of 20 million + / - makes you APPEAR more loyal...to stupid people. quadruple the size of MSG's seating capacity, and maybe i'll be impressed with ranger fan "loyalty" if they continue to sell out.
Don't you think the fact that NY has 3 teams within 40 miles of each other kind of cancels out the population advantage?

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Don't you think the fact that NY has 3 teams within 40 miles of each other kind of cancels out the population advantage?
3 Hockey that is
Plus 2 football, 2 baseball, 2 basketball and 1 soccer, all of which expect the Bulls and maybe Mets are more popular

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