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06-28-2012, 03:02 PM
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Did I miss something? Why are Buffalo fans willing to give up Roy?
Because having 2 new center prospects in the pipeline = sell the only veteran center in the organization for an overpaid, underperforming d-man, apparently.

I want nothing to do with letting Roy go unless there is another veteran center with defensive chops coming back.

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06-28-2012, 03:04 PM
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Fair enough Darcy.
Would you prefer I equivocate more? Bouwmeester is a good player, but our need for defense isn't such that we'd give up a player like Ennis for him. If Ennis is moved, I think he'd be moved to acquire a forward like Bobby Ryan. That's all.

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Did I miss something? Why are Buffalo fans willing to give up Roy?
Sabres fans have a hatred for Roy, and many believe that all our center problems have been solved by acquiring Hodgson at the deadline, Ennis' 20-game sample size at the end of the season, and the drafting of Grigorenko and Girgensons last week--nevermind the fact that Roy is currently the only center in our organization who can win more than 50% of his faceoffs and play a higher level of competition with at least 50% of his zone starts beginning in the defensive zone.

We can't trade Roy unless another NHL center is coming back in that trade or another trade. That said, JayBo + Backlund for Roy + Leopold is intriguing to me after looking at Backlund's player usage chart from last year. Despite playing above-average competition and starting a ton in the defensive zone, he drove possession while he was on the ice.

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06-28-2012, 03:07 PM
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The only way Ennis would be heading to Calgary would be along with a pick and Pysyk for Iginla or something like that...

Besides, if its a BUF/CAL trade we all know it's gonna be

JayBo + 1st

for

Luke Adam

Or something ridiculously in Buffalos favor because that's how these things seem to work out.

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06-28-2012, 03:08 PM
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Roy+Leopold+Leino for JBo

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Absolutely no interest in this. Buffalo is as set as it should be at defense and has no business trading roster players or useful assets to address the position until further in-season development and reflection, nor should it be tying up more salary in the position with ELC guys like McNabb at the door and Pysyk & JGL entering AHL.

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06-28-2012, 03:53 PM
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to

D Jay Bouwmeester ($6.68M - UFA 2015)
C Lance Bouma ($693K ELC - RFA 2013)


To

C Derek Roy ($4M - UFA 2013)
D Jordan Leopold ($3M - UFA 2013)


Dealz?
Id do it.

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06-28-2012, 04:44 PM
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I'd offer Roy + Pysyk + Leopold for Bouwmeester + 2nd.

Cap hit is about the same and it makes Sekera expendable from a Sabres point of view. I'd then turn around and offer Sekera + Stafford + Adam + 2nd to the Ducks for Bobby Ryan. Then make a run for Semen in FA.


Vanek - Grigorenko - Semin
Leino - Hodgson - Pomminville
Foligno - Ennis - Ryan
Gerbe - Mccormick - Tropp

Bouwmeester - Myers
Sulzer - Ehrhoff
Regehr - McNabb


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06-28-2012, 05:02 PM
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I'd offer Roy + Pysyk + Leopold for Bouwmeester + 2nd.

Cap hit is about the same and it makes Sekera expendable from a Sabres point of view. I'd then turn around and offer Sekera + Stafford + Adam + 2nd to the Ducks for Bobby Ryan. Then make a run for Semen in FA.


Vanek - Grigorenko - Semin
Leino - Hodgson - Pomminville
Foligno - Ennis - Ryan
Gerbe - Mccormick - Tropp

Bouwmeester - Myers
Sulzer - Ehrhoff
Regehr - McNabb
Holy **** that is terrible value for the Sabres.


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06-28-2012, 05:10 PM
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Value isnt important so long as your team gets better.

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06-28-2012, 05:14 PM
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Value isnt important so long as your team gets better.
I would definitely argue that your posted lineup isn't better than the current roster the Sabres have.

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06-28-2012, 05:22 PM
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Bouwmeester and Nemisz for Ennis and 1st
Boumeester doesnt hold that kind of value.

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06-28-2012, 05:41 PM
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Leopold is capable of eating minutes--maybe not as much as JBo, but certainly he can play 26+ mins if he needs to, which he doesn't because Ruff likes to roll all pairings more-or-less equally, which negates the one thing JBo does well--play a bunch of minutes.

Leopold can put up 25-35 points--which is what JBo is doing now.

All for a fraction of the cost.


And not to mention we already have an awesome shutdown pairing of Sekera-Regehr (or I'd argue Sekera-anyone).

So why are we going after JBo? He's overpaid and is a marginal upgrade at best...

I would not give up any assets for JBo. I have never seen the appeal with him, and nothing he's done and changed that fact...if Flames fans want to disagree that's fine, they can keep him.

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06-28-2012, 06:12 PM
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As always, Bouwmeester is extremely underrated based on offensive production and failure to adjust to the system in Calgary under Brent Sutter. The guy is overpaid but is not nearly as bad as everyone is making him out to be. He never misses a game and eats a ton of minutes. Still very much a top 4 defenseman and a change of scenery/team/system/coach could be what he needs.

I'm not saying we need Bouwmeester and the difference right now between him and Leopold (funny, they were traded for each other) is slim and Leopold's contract is more than half of his but I'd take a look at him. Especially if we can get Backlund coming back too. If we trade Roy, I wouldn't have a problem going with Ennis/Hodgson/UFA such as Jokinen.

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06-28-2012, 06:16 PM
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Value isnt important so long as your team gets better.
That trade was ridiculously bad. Awful.

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He's a minute-eater, but he's way overpaid. If we had to take him, I'd want an asset from Calgary worth it...like say JBo + 1st for Leino or something, and even then I'm not sure.
I'm with you - that would be the only way I'd want the Sabres to take on a perennial underachiever like Bouwmeester and his inflated contract.

Still, in doing so....

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Something around Roy for Bouwmeester actually makes a lot of sense for both teams..expect that it leaves Calgary with a huge gaping hole on D.

Can Buffalo afford to send a d-man back in exchange for something else?
...the question should be more, "Does Buffalo want to add to its glut on defense?" and waste any kind of asset in doing so?

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I'd do something like Roy + Leopold for Bouwmeester + Backlund.
At least from a cost standpoint, this makes some sense for both teams: Calgary gets a proven top 6 center to either replace or complement Jokinen and a cheaper salary defender that can be let go next summer if things don't work out. Buffalo gets a top young center prospect and the swapping of Roy/Leopold ($7M) offsets the salary of Bouwmeester.

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Bouwmeester and Nemisz for Ennis and 1st
In the words of McEnroe, "You've got to be kidding!"

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I'm with you - that would be the only way I'd want the Sabres to take on a perennial underachiever like Bouwmeester and his inflated contract.

Still, in doing so....



...the question should be more, "Does Buffalo want to add to its glut on defense?" and waste any kind of asset in doing so?



At least from a cost standpoint, this makes some sense for both teams: Calgary gets a proven top 6 center to either replace or complement Jokinen and a cheaper salary defender that can be let go next summer if things don't work out. Buffalo gets a top young center prospect and the swapping of Roy/Leopold ($7M) offsets the salary of Bouwmeester.



In the words of McEnroe, "You've got to be kidding!"
That's exactly what I was thinking when I thought it out. Bouwmeester's only got two years left and the cap hits pretty much offset. We'd be going really young at center but like I've said before, I'd be fine going with Ennis/Hodgson/and a guy like Jokinen. I think these kids are that good.

Bouwmeester was fairly good paired with Regehr in Calgary. If he doesn't work out with Myers, at worst we'd have a reliable second-pairing. Backlund is still a young center with potential and I'd take Bouwmeester's contract more easily if Backlund was part of the package.

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06-28-2012, 08:28 PM
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I like the bouma/meester for Roy Leopold deal. I think buffalo wouldnt bite though. Probably something more like this....

Boumeester + backlund

Roy + Leopold + 2nd or 3rd rounder


And anyone who even wants to try to compare Boumeester and Leopold shouldn't waste their time. It's a far stretch regardless boumeesters value on hfboards. He has value in the real world. Specially now that the cap is 6 million higher

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I like the bouma/meester for Roy Leopold deal. I think buffalo wouldnt bite though. Probably something more like this....

Boumeester + backlund

Roy + Leopold + 2nd or 3rd rounder


And anyone who even wants to try to compare Boumeester and Leopold shouldn't waste their time. It's a far stretch regardless boumeesters value on hfboards. He has value in the real world. Specially now that the cap is 6 million higher
If its a 3rd Id definately take it, and flip one of our D in a ryan deal

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Derek Roy + Mike Weber

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Jay Bouwmeester + Mitch Wahl/Ryan Howse

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I have absolutely no interest in Leopold. We tried to recapture his glory days in Calgary before and it failed miserably.

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If its a 3rd Id definately take it, and flip one of our D in a ryan deal
Yeah, the defenseman I'd most want to get rid of is Weber, but if we can swing a deal for Ryan involving Sekera, I wouldn't be opposed.

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I say NO ... To the J Bo

Sabres need less overpaid players, not more.

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Did I miss something? Why are Buffalo fans willing to give up Roy?
Because of perceived (or probably actual) issues between he and Ruff/he's just fallen out of favor compared to Ennis and Hodgson. He also doesn't really seem to fit in the team's long-term plans anymore.

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Derek Roy + Mike Weber

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Jay Bouwmeester + Mitch Wahl/Ryan Howse

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I have absolutely no interest in Leopold. We tried to recapture his glory days in Calgary before and it failed miserably.
So we are expecting Mike Weber to fill in Jays minutes?

Hello lottery team.

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Roy is our only veteran center. I don't want to see him go unless another veteran center is coming back - preferably bigger and better defensively. Aside from that, let's not just give him away this summer for something that's not a pressing need. Trade him at the deadline for a 1st+.

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Roy is our only veteran center. I don't want to see him go unless another veteran center is coming back - preferably bigger and better defensively. Aside from that, let's not just give him away this summer for something that's not a pressing need. Trade him at the deadline for a 1st+.
Roy for Hanzal?

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