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05-10-2012, 04:12 PM
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Guess the Contracts

I'm really bored at work again, thought I would post the list of our UFA's/RFA's and prospects that have to be signed or we lose their rights. Wanted to see what people think MB will do. The Habs currently have 28 players under contract for next season and should be 29 once Beaulieu is signed.

UFA's -

Travis Moen- 3 years @1.85M a year
Chris Campoli- gone
Mathieu Darche- 1 year @ 700K
Brad Staubitz- 1 year @ league minium
Garrett Stafford- gone
Brian Willsie- gone
Joe Callahan- gone
Nathan Lawson- gone



RFA's -

Carey Price- 6 years @ 6M
Lars Eller- 1 year @ 1.5M
Alexei Emelin- 2 years @ 1.4M
Raphel Diaz- 1 year @ 950K
PK Subban- 2 years @ 2.5M
Ryan White- 1 year @750K
Mike Blunden- 1 year one way at league minium
Petteri Nokelainen- gone
Mark Mitera- possibly gone
Blake Geoffrion- 1 year two way 800K
Hunter Bishop- possible retired or gone
Andreas Engqvist- back to Sweden
Brendon Nash- 1 year 2 way@ 900K
Aaron Palushaj- 1 year 1 way 700K
Olivier Fortier- possibly gone
Frédéric St-Denis- 1 year two way @ 850K
Robert Slaney- possibly gone
Andrew Conboy- 1 year two way at league minium
Danny Masse- 1 year two way @ 650K


Needs to be signed before June 1st,

John Westin- won't be signed

Needs to be signed before August 15th,

Scott Kishel- won't be signed


Players under contract already,

G- (3)- Peter Budaj, Peter Delmas, Robert Mayer

D- (8)- Andrei Markov, Tomas Kaberle, Josh Gorges, Yannick Weber, Jarred Tinordi, Morgan Ellis, Greg Pateryn, Joe Stejskal

F-(17)- Brian Gionta, Tomas Plekanec, Erik Cole, Scott Gomez, Rene Bourque, Max Pacioretty, David Desharnais, Louis Leblanc, Michael Bournival, Brendan Gallagher, Patrick Holland, Joonas Nattinen, Ian Schultz, Alexander Avtsin, Gabriel Dumont, Alain Berger, Philippe Lefebvre

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Molson hired Bergevin for that stuff.

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I'm really bored at work again, thought I would post the list of our UFA's/RFA's and prospects that have to be signed or we lose their rights. Wanted to see what people think MB will do. The Habs currently have 28 players under contract for next season and should be 29 once Beaulieu is signed.

UFA's -

Travis Moen- 3 years @1.85M a year
Chris Campoli- gone
Mathieu Darche- 1 year @ 700K
Brad Staubitz- 1 year @ league minium
Garrett Stafford- gone
Brian Willsie- gone
Joe Callahan- gone
Nathan Lawson- gone



RFA's -

Carey Price- 6 years @ 6M
Lars Eller- 1 year @ 1.5M
Alexei Emelin- 2 years @ 1.4M
Raphel Diaz- 1 year @ 950K
PK Subban- 2 years @ 2.5M
Ryan White- 1 year @750K
Mike Blunden- 1 year one way at league minium
Petteri Nokelainen- gone
Mark Mitera- possibly gone
Blake Geoffrion- 1 year two way 800K
Hunter Bishop- possible retired or gone
Andreas Engqvist- back to Sweden
Brendon Nash- 1 year 2 way@ 900K
Aaron Palushaj- 1 year 1 way 700K
Olivier Fortier- possibly gone
Frédéric St-Denis- 1 year two way @ 850K
Robert Slaney- possibly gone
Andrew Conboy- 1 year two way at league minium
Danny Masse- 1 year two way @ 650K


Needs to be signed before June 1st,

John Westin- won't be signed

Needs to be signed before August 15th,

Scott Kishel- won't be signed


Players under contract already,

G- (3)- Peter Budaj, Peter Delmas, Robert Mayer

D- (8)- Andrei Markov, Tomas Kaberle, Josh Gorges, Yannick Weber, Jarred Tinordi, Morgan Ellis, Greg Pateryn, Joe Stejskal

F-(17)- Brian Gionta, Tomas Plekanec, Erik Cole, Scott Gomez, Rene Bourque, Max Pacioretty, David Desharnais, Louis Leblanc, Michael Bournival, Brendan Gallagher, Patrick Holland, Joonas Nattinen, Ian Schultz, Alexander Avtsin, Gabriel Dumont, Alain Berger, Philippe Lefebvre

I like all your guesses, but I think Moen gets slightly more. I'm guessing $2 + per. I also think Subban definitely gets more term and cash. I think 4 years, $14 mil.
And I don't think Darche gets tendered. Just my guesses.

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I think people are wayy too low on Subban. Young guy already playing big minutes and seasons of 36 and 38 points. I think he carries around a 4 mil cap hit...2 years at 7-8 mil.

Emelim might cost near 2 mil/yaer with the KHL as a threat.

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I like all your guesses, but I think Moen gets slightly more. I'm guessing $2 + per. I also think Subban definitely gets more term and cash. I think 4 years, $14 mil.
And I don't think Darche gets tendered. Just my guesses.
I could see Moen getting closer to 2M but since he made 1.5M I'm hoping it's under 2M. I don't really care if they bring Darche back or not, as he works hard but his lack of speed and production are a concern. Subban is a tough one, I am not sure they would lock him up for too long as he might view it as in his best interest to sign for a couple years now and then go for a big contract that buys up some of his UFA years.

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I think people are wayy too low on Subban. Young guy already playing big minutes and seasons of 36 and 38 points. I think he carries around a 4 mil cap hit...2 years at 7-8 mil.

Emelim might cost near 2 mil/yaer with the KHL as a threat.
Subban had a cap hit of 875K so I don't think he's getting 4M or close to it just yet (or so I hope) I think 2 years at 8M is overdoing it personally.

I'd be suprised if Emelin got 2M, not sure he's done enough to warrent more then double his salary from this year despite the KHL threat. Hopefully they can ink him for under 1.5M.

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My numbers would be close to yours except:
2 year deal for Moen, not 3
More money for Subban
Darche, no, just no.

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What's so wrong with Darche? He was used wrong too often the last few years, and spent too much time on scoring lines, but he's a good 4th liner and an acceptable 3rd line fill-in.

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I could see Moen getting closer to 2M but since he made 1.5M I'm hoping it's under 2M. I don't really care if they bring Darche back or not, as he works hard but his lack of speed and production are a concern. Subban is a tough one, I am not sure they would lock him up for too long as he might view it as in his best interest to sign for a couple years now and then go for a big contract that buys up some of his UFA years.



Subban had a cap hit of 875K so I don't think he's getting 4M or close to it just yet (or so I hope) I think 2 years at 8M is overdoing it personally.

I'd be suprised if Emelin got 2M, not sure he's done enough to warrent more then double his salary from this year despite the KHL threat. Hopefully they can ink him for under 1.5M.
His current deal was an ELC and lower than a lot of young stars because he wasn't a 1st rounder. Price got 2.75/year the year after he lost his #1 job to Halak, I have no doubts re-signing Subban will cost AT least 3.5/year over 1-2 years. If I was Bergevin I'd try and do 3 years 12 mil.

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Me and my friend guess contracts all most of the key FAs for 2012 since we were board in history class

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Moen will get 3mil whether it's here or elsewhere.

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Moen: 2 years @ $2.5M per
Price: 1 year @ $5M per
Subban: 3 years @ $3.75M per

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Moen will get 3mil whether it's here or elsewhere.
And the team that will give him that kind of money will regret it.

IMO, Subban should get a Letang type of deal at about $3.75M for 4 years.

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What's so wrong with Darche? He was used wrong too often the last few years, and spent too much time on scoring lines, but he's a good 4th liner and an acceptable 3rd line fill-in.
He's gonna be 36 soon, he doesn't fight and he doesn't hit. I'd rather someone younger and grittier on our energy line.

But he's a nice guy so I hope that if he can't find another team we will offer him a position in our organization. Maybe he can be a LHJMQ scout.

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His current deal was an ELC and lower than a lot of young stars because he wasn't a 1st rounder. Price got 2.75/year the year after he lost his #1 job to Halak, I have no doubts re-signing Subban will cost AT least 3.5/year over 1-2 years. If I was Bergevin I'd try and do 3 years 12 mil.
Yes but he still made 875K and not many players go from 875k to 4M with their 1st contract so hopefully that's not what it ends up costing us. I would hate to see him get 3 @12M as it means his next contract is going to be huge.

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Moen will get 3mil whether it's here or elsewhere.
why do you think Moen will get double his salary? 2M seems ok but 3M seems over the top imo.

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Yeah no way Moen gets 3 mil. If you look at Moen play you know his talent is very limited so it's not guaranteed he will repeat his last season's production. Even Clarkson doesn't get paid 3 mil.

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He's gonna be 36 soon, he doesn't fight and he doesn't hit. I'd rather someone younger and grittier on our energy line.

But he's a nice guy so I hope that if he can't find another team we will offer him a position in our organization. Maybe he can be a LHJMQ scout.
Hockey isn't just about hitting and fighting. Darche is a guy that can take some PK minutes, he is reliable defensively, hard worker, good attitude and can chip in 10-12 goals with limited ice time.

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Yes but he still made 875K and not many players go from 875k to 4M with their 1st contract so hopefully that's not what it ends up costing us. I would hate to see him get 3 @12M as it means his next contract is going to be huge.


I don't think his current contract matters. He is one of the top young d-men in the game and unless his agent is an idiot he'll want a good contract.

I wouldn't mind signing him for 4-5 years but the cap hit would increase not drop. Possibly around 4.75-5 mil

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Hockey isn't just about hitting and fighting. Darche is a guy that can take some PK minutes, he is reliable defensively, hard worker, good attitude and can chip in 10-12 goals with limited ice time.
You can find a guy who does everything Darche does and hits or fights or is just more grittier. He's easy to replace and it's time to replace him. Give his spot to a youngin.

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Moen is the type of player that's a hot commodity. He'll score a couple of goals, be physical and kill penalties. I hope we sign him for less, but he'll be asking for more I'm sure.

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You can find a guy who does everything Darche does and hits or fights or is just more grittier. He's easy to replace and it's time to replace him. Give his spot to a youngin.
Who can do all that and not cost 2 mil/year? We have other needs here. we also have Moen that can do all those things(assuming we re sign him, which I think is a good possibility) plus White as well. Staubitz does some of that plus guys like Conboy and Schultz are close to the NHL.

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Imagine what a line like Moen-White-Staubitz could do. Moen is the type of player that can go out there and get momentum on the fourth line with big hits and dropping the gloves and he can also inter-change between the fourth and third lines, to play a shut-down role for a period if need by. Moen is a model bottom 6 player to have and teams will target him. I don't see Habs giving him more then $2.5 million a year but I do see other teams not hesitating to throw upwards of $3 million at him.

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Who can do all that and not cost 2 mil/year? We have other needs here. we also have Moen that can do all those things(assuming we re sign him, which I think is a good possibility) plus White as well. Staubitz does some of that plus guys like Conboy and Schultz are close to the NHL.
Someone like Brandon Prust. I hope one day we will have a real 4th line in MTL. I don't know who is available and who won't cost 2 mil but I hope Bergevin can find one because Darche is starting to get old and will need to be replaced soon. Immediately would be best.

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You can find a guy who does everything Darche does and hits or fights or is just more grittier. He's easy to replace and it's time to replace him. Give his spot to a youngin.
Why not give him the #13/#14 forward role, where he plays 30ish games a year?

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Yes but he still made 875K and not many players go from 875k to 4M with their 1st contract so hopefully that's not what it ends up costing us. I would hate to see him get 3 @12M as it means his next contract is going to be huge.
Letang is the obvious comparable.

Was getting 835k on his ELC during which he played 210 NHL games for 77 points.

Subban played 160 NHL games on his ELC for 76 points.

Letang got 4 years at 3.5 million when the salary cap was lower. Subban's got to be looking at 4 million per year.

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Why not give him the #13/#14 forward role, where he plays 30ish games a year?
I think that role will be Staubitz'.

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