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07-14-2012, 08:07 AM
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As to the fans not giving a crap about the Blackhawks if there is another lockout then good for them and good riddance. Go back to the Bears and the Bulls.. if you're only going to give two ***** about the team when they're at their highest point than go watch Football and go watch Basketball. Chicago is a team that has and will continue to compete for the Cup. If the average moron in Chicago can't see then who gives a ****? You should strive to have passionate fans who care whether your team finishes in as the oh so lowly 8th seed or 1st in the league.

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07-14-2012, 09:45 AM
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07-14-2012, 09:56 AM
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Before a few minutes ago I thought ,, Not much of chance or even if there is one it will only be about a month or so lost

But now I think this will be ugly mess
If that's true, we're looking at a long lock-out. The league wants the players to guarantee the financial viability of all of the franchises, and the mid-to-large markets to make huge money.

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07-14-2012, 10:36 AM
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As to the fans not giving a crap about the Blackhawks if there is another lockout then good for them and good riddance. Go back to the Bears and the Bulls.. if you're only going to give two ***** about the team when they're at their highest point than go watch Football and go watch Basketball. Chicago is a team that has and will continue to compete for the Cup. If the average moron in Chicago can't see then who gives a ****? You should strive to have passionate fans who care whether your team finishes in as the oh so lowly 8th seed or 1st in the league.

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At the risk of being obvious, a lock-out is the worse thing that could happen. The last time many, many fans got turned off to the game and it took years to recover. The greed of the players led by the wooden Goodenow was the main reason and it seems it could well happen again under Fehr. Oh he talks like a strike will be avoided at all costs, but his past says otherwise. Hopefully the players themselves will have learned from last time and not let greed rule the day.

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07-14-2012, 11:46 AM
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Owner's demands made me lol so hard. That's a pretty big F you to Fehr.

Honestly though I think they really only care about getting player salaries down to 50%, and they'll "be willing" to concede the other points

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07-14-2012, 11:47 AM
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A mid-sized franchise spends almost $200MM on 2 players and now they want to lower the cap. Trying to make it idiot proof for even the poorly run teams to break even or make money. The last CBA negotiations for the other leagues have tried to do just that.

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07-14-2012, 01:36 PM
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Owner's demands made me lol so hard. That's a pretty big F you to Fehr.

Honestly though I think they really only care about getting player salaries down to 50%, and they'll "be willing" to concede the other points
Players already claim they are only getting 51%, they don't agree with the current accounting. Owners and Players need to come to terms on what is defined as revenue. I feel like that is going to be a huge battle.

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07-16-2012, 11:31 AM
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The insulting first offer by the NHL certainly started things off on a rather sour note. Of course, a low ball first offer was expected, but I can’t help but be less optimistic then I was last week. Are we in for another hard ball match-up? Here’s hoping Fehr doesn’t lead the players down the garden path.

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07-16-2012, 04:37 PM
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07-16-2012, 06:02 PM
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I love this so far, have to admit.

There is a part of me that wants the NHL to just stop again and see exactly how many fans still care when all is said and done. There isnt another league other then the NHL where this type of garbage happens every CBA. I niche sport thinking it is something that its not is classic comedic gold.

Now, if this were the NFL, the States would actually be in a panic, nobody cares about this but die hards.

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07-16-2012, 06:16 PM
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I love this so far, have to admit.

There is a part of me that wants the NHL to just stop again and see exactly how many fans still care when all is said and done. There isnt another league other then the NHL where this type of garbage happens every CBA. I niche sport thinking it is something that its not is classic comedic gold.
Now, if this were the NFL, the States would actually be in a panic, nobody cares about this but die hards.


Speak for yourself. Only in America!

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07-17-2012, 01:00 AM
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On the first day of any lockout, i plan to start a poll on "Kruger or Stalberg = Who Would You Trade First?

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07-17-2012, 03:17 AM
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I love this so far, have to admit.

There is a part of me that wants the NHL to just stop again and see exactly how many fans still care when all is said and done. There isnt another league other then the NHL where this type of garbage happens every CBA. I niche sport thinking it is something that its not is classic comedic gold.

Now, if this were the NFL, the States would actually be in a panic, nobody cares about this but die hards.
NFL was just in this situation.

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07-17-2012, 05:30 AM
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and there was some kind of panic

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when i read the part where the NHL wanted to cap contracts at 5 yrs i thought that was pretty rich given the deals minny gave to suter/parise.

it's especially rich given that after the NHL circulated their proposal (w/ a 5 yr deal cap) Philly has come up with this:

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Breaking: Shea Weber agrees to offer sheet with Philadelphia. 14 years, upwards of $100 mil. Preds have 7 days to match. Wow!!

i think it's time to bring the bunny back:


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07-19-2012, 03:46 AM
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owners want to limit everything and do the exact different as long as they can

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07-19-2012, 01:45 PM
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when i read the part where the NHL wanted to cap contracts at 5 yrs i thought that was pretty rich given the deals minny gave to suter/parise.

it's especially rich given that after the NHL circulated their proposal (w/ a 5 yr deal cap) Philly has come up with this:

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
Breaking: Shea Weber agrees to offer sheet with Philadelphia. 14 years, upwards of $100 mil. Preds have 7 days to match. Wow!!

i think it's time to bring the bunny back:

5 year max contract, ELC and UFA lengths is just garbage thrown in for negotiating purposes. The only thing the owners care about is the percentage. Owners fall back on those points to get more revenue back.

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07-19-2012, 03:32 PM
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I'm all for a max contract, but I think it should be 7 or 8 years.

UFA/RFA should stay the same


the only real difference will come with the percentage for players/owners

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07-19-2012, 05:13 PM
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NFL was just in this situation.
And they sure as hell fixed it so it wouldnt interupt the season.

Not that losing fans by the droves in the states bothered the NHL, mind you.

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07-19-2012, 06:03 PM
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I'm all for a max contract, but I think it should be 7 or 8 years.

UFA/RFA should stay the same


the only real difference will come with the percentage for players/owners
The low ball by the owners in that regard likely indicates they would accept 7 or 8 years as well. I think that's reasonable. Professional sport in general has gone over the top with these multi year mega deals.

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07-20-2012, 06:04 AM
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I have no problems with those deals. That's why we have a Cap. If the Teams can afford it, let them do it.

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I will be shocked if the lockout goes more than 2 weeks into the season. Fehr knows NHLPA will implode on itself and the owners are a different group now. WWW and Jacobs are gone, Karmanos sold half his team to minimize his risk from hockey, Vinnik is in TB, Pegula is practically a philanthropist, Leipold has a product to push quickly, etc.

The owners aren't going to push very hard and the players will fold quickly anyway imo. It'll be a little scary but I don't think they'll lose a game. Even the zebras held out until the last minute a couple years ago, so I'm sure both sides will push to the deadline.

I think the biggest problem will be the accounting more than the %, too bad Nashville was already busted. I would be shocked if players are really getting 57%, so I wouldn't be surprised if they took a little less to fix some of the hockey operations calculations and related accounting practices and oversight.

I think things will work out okay for the fans but I'm expecting some last minute dramatics.

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This is probably an unpopular view on the matter but I can't help but side with the owners in most situations. I mean the ridiculous amount of overhead and other expenses these guys have to deal with is unbelievable and with all things considered they really don't make that much for being owners of a team.

With that said I still think that proposal is just bad.

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08-15-2012, 07:53 AM
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On The Score, they seem to think there will not be a season. The sides are too far apart and there's no way they can meet in the middle early enough for a season, according to them.

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Great way to waste all of the great progress that the NHL has made over the past few years. It is popular as ever, not just in Chicago. This kills all of that. 2 lockouts in 8 years? Ridiculously amateur. I guess hockey wants to continue to be a niche sport.

It really is a shame because the sport is so great and I'm a guy who loves baseball, basketball, football and hockey. NHL is the best product along with the NFL IMO when you give it a chance. Unfortunately I post on sites that don't give it an honest chance and they'd be even less likely too after another lockout. And I'm sure some casual fans will stop caring all together. I'll have to hear how the NHL is a second rate sport forever I guess. This lockout will be a huge letdown for me.

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