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06-29-2012, 09:40 AM
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Flyers Worst Nightmare

It sounds like SUnday could be the worst possible day for us Flyers fans....

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/i...nightmare.html

For those not reading article, it states that BOTH Parise and Suter are signing in Pittsburgh and Martin traded away to make room.


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06-29-2012, 09:45 AM
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Meh, just getting Parise isn't the end of the world. Their defense is going to be particularly thin, and we know from experience that simply scoring a million goals a game doesn't save bad defense. That being said, if they sign Suter or a couple other big namers, then we might be in trouble...

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06-29-2012, 09:47 AM
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Best news?....probably not. But to me, it shouldn't change the way the Flyers go about things. We need to be built to beat the Penguins, which means two-way forwards and an emphasis on D because I don't see these 8-6 games happening in next year's playoffs. It should have been the Flyers' gameplan to begin with, and this shouldn't change it.

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Meh, just getting Parise isn't the end of the world. Their defense is going to be particularly thin, and we know from experience that simply scoring a million goals a game doesn't save bad defense. That being said, if they sign Suter or a couple other big namers, then we might be in trouble...
I feel almost the exact opposite, honestly. I'd rather see them get Suter than Parise--though, obviously, best case scenario is that both go somewhere like Minnesota.

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The Pens got rid of the player I'm arguably most afraid of this off-season (Staal) and have continued to thin their defense.

If they just get Parise, I am not worried one bit.

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You know if the Pens get Parise and Suter, the Flyers will make a huge splash. The rivalry never dies between these two clubs.

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You know if the Pens get Parise and Suter, the Flyers will make a huge splash. The rivalry never dies between these two clubs.
I doubt it. There's no one to grab other than maybe Semin. And I don't want that.

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You know if the Pens get Parise and Suter, the Flyers will make a huge splash. The rivalry never dies between these two clubs.
That might be Flyers fans' worst nightmare.

The law firm of Schenn, Schenn, and Read to Columbus for Nash?


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I doubt it. There's no one to grab other than maybe Semin. And I don't want that.
I was talking via trade. They usually don't just sit there and watch their immediate competition get better.

I agree the free agency route is not the way to go.

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That might be Flyers fans' worst nightmare.

The law firm of Schenn, Schenn, and Read to Columbus for Nash?

I rather make that trade for a defender. There is only one who will demand that kind of return too.

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I rather make that trade for a defender. There is only one who will demand that kind of return too.
I so want said Defender. All I want for Christmas

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All jelly and no jam!! They spend all their money on a few big names then the 3rd and 4th lines are scrubs. Plus their D really sucks. Losing Staal is a big hit. But lets see how things shake out after July before everyone panics.

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Neal-Crosby-Parise would be an absolutely terrifying line. Malkin and anyone is scary, but at least recently has ben shut down by a guy named Cooter. MAF can be amazing or terrible on any given night. After that what is this team worried about? Their third and fourth lines would likely not be very impressive. And their defense, unless someone else is brought in is going to be pretty ugly outside of Letang and to a lesser extent Orpik even if they make a couple signings (Suter not included, obviously). And lets not forget that the Flyers will be making some moves in the coming days. It may not be a huge splash move like a Parise or a Suter, but sometimes the smaller moves pay off a lot more than the bigger ones.

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Meh, still think the Flyers would matchup up with the Pens better than most.

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Neal-Crosby-Parise would be an absolutely terrifying line. Malkin and anyone is scary, but at least recently has ben shut down by a guy named Cooter. MAF can be amazing or terrible on any given night. After that what is this team worried about? Their third and fourth lines would likely not be very impressive. And their defense, unless someone else is brought in is going to be pretty ugly outside of Letang and to a lesser extent Orpik even if they make a couple signings (Suter not included, obviously). And lets not forget that the Flyers will be making some moves in the coming days. It may not be a huge splash move like a Parise or a Suter, but sometimes the smaller moves pay off a lot more than the bigger ones.
How about the 1st PP unit?

Crosby, Malkin on the boards
Neal and Parise down low
Letang at the point.

FFS.

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Best news?....probably not. But to me, it shouldn't change the way the Flyers go about things. We need to be built to beat the Penguins, which means two-way forwards and an emphasis on D because I don't see these 8-6 games happening in next year's playoffs. It should have been the Flyers' gameplan to begin with, and this shouldn't change it.
The Flyers were built to beat the Penguins in 2011-12. It didn't translate into beating anyone else, though.

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How about the 1st PP unit?

Crosby, Malkin on the boards
Neal and Parise down low
Letang at the point.

FFS.
Is that the PP where everyone stands around watching Crosby?

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All jelly and no jam!! They spend all their money on a few big names then the 3rd and 4th lines are scrubs. Plus their D really sucks. Losing Staal is a big hit. But lets see how things shake out after July before everyone panics.
I don't follow.

Sutter is obviosuly not Staal, but he's a very good 3C.

Assuming, for the moment, that Pittsburgh does sign Parise, their bottom-six looks pretty gritty to me:

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m)
James Neal ($5.000m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / Tyler Kennedy ($2.000m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Dustin Jeffrey ($0.575m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Craig Adams ($0.675m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Matt Niskanen ($1.750m)
Simon Despres ($0.840m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
Ben Lovejoy ($0.525m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,723,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $4,476,667

I have no idea how they would pair up the defenseman--and I agree that top-4 has at least one hole. But still, that's a scary-looking roster--and they have a tone of kids in their system with top-4 potential.

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The Flyers were built to beat the Penguins in 2011-12. It didn't translate into beating anyone else, though.
Hence the reason I said 2-way forwards and D. We're not going to beat them again like that. Sound D will beat them, as it will other teams.

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Hence the reason I said 2-way forwards and D. We're not going to beat them again like that. Sound D will beat them, as it will other teams.
It seems to me that one of the reasons that the Flyers have been successful against the Penguins in recent years is precisely their offensive aggressiveness and depth.

Pittsburgh took 4 of 6 from the Rangers this year--mostly without Crosby--and whatever we do this offseason, we're not likely to match the Rangers for defensive prowess.

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I'm not that worried about it. They are going to get a couple of really good players this year with all that cap space. It's just how it goes. Their offense was fine as it was, so I don't think the addition of Parise changes that much. If they get Suter and Parise that would be extremely concerning though, because when you bump everyone but Letang down one on the defensive depth chart, that crew goes from looking pretty average to pretty good.

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How about the 1st PP unit?

Crosby, Malkin on the boards
Neal and Parise down low
Letang at the point.

FFS.
Fair enough. First line, Second line, top PP unit. Sounds a lot like the Flyers...

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The Philadelphia Flyers need to worry about what the Philadelphia Flyers do, not the Pittsburgh Penguins or the New York Rangers or anyone else. If Holmgren's M.O. is to make a move because the Pens or Rags made a move, he's making a terrible mistake. Just worry about the task at hand and not worry about the moves other teams are making.

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Based on the replys, nobody read the article. It says Parise is signing and playing with Crosby. It says Suter is signing and Paul Martin will be traded to make room. That is the "worst nightmare" scenerio. Parise-Crosby-Dupuis, Kunitz-Malkin-Neal, and a top D of Letang-Suter. OUCH

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They may do all that. But they still have their 2nd best player skating around with a rebuilt knee, and their best player on a 12-year extension skating around with a Faberge egg sitting on top of his shoulders. And they literally have no idea what they're getting from their goalie night in, night out. They'll be good, but let's not start engraving the Cup just yet. The '87 Oilers they are not.

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