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06-30-2012, 06:43 AM
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Count me in among those who are skeptical re the 4yr deal at 1.85m per year. Habs better hope he's 3rd liner bcz 2much $ if hes 4th line
Tony's an idiot if he thinks we paid too much for Moen.

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06-30-2012, 07:26 AM
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Tony's an idiot if he thinks we paid too much for Moen.
He is an idiot no matter what he said.

If a turd could speak it wouldn't change the fact that it is a turd.

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Moen the lawn baby!

Great news to have him back.

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This is a very solid deal for a solid third liner.

Now, I do hope the Habs change up their roster some, but bringing back Moen is cool with me.

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06-30-2012, 08:07 AM
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Moens a 3rd liner not a 4th liner.

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Moens a 3rd liner not a 4th liner.
He's also capable of short stints on the top 6 to fill in for injuries and not hurt you. He can score the odd goal too.

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06-30-2012, 08:11 AM
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He is an idiot no matter what he said.

If a turd could speak it wouldn't change the fact that it is a turd.
That's what I was gonna say.

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http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...673/story.html

“Until you play in Montreal, you don’t realize how amazing it is to play there, all the legends and history,” Moen said Friday. “Once you play in Montreal, you’re a Habs fan for life.”
Love to hear it, and he takes a smaller cap hit, picks up an extra year, for the team....

These are the guys teams need...

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06-30-2012, 08:24 AM
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He's also capable of short stints on the top 6 to fill in for injuries and not hurt you. He can score the odd goal too.
He really does play his role as well as anyone.

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Count me in among those who are skeptical re the 4yr deal at 1.85m per year. Habs better hope he's 3rd liner bcz 2much $ if hes 4th line
Oh look...another salary cap expert

Tony's notoriously one of the best capologist out there

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06-30-2012, 11:00 AM
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Oh look...another salary cap expert

Tony's notoriously one of the best capologist out there
Tony is an idiot.

Moen's deal is fantastic.

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Tony is an idiot.

Moen's deal is fantastic.

it's fantastic if he plays on a third line like last season, kill penalties, and play 12-15 minutes a game.

On a 4th line with 8-10 minutes, it's a bit overpaid.

But Habs need that type of players because we don't have many in Montreal or Hamilton.

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it's fantastic if he plays on a third line like last season, kill penalties, and play 12-15 minutes a game.

On a 4th line with 8-10 minutes, it's a bit overpaid.

But Habs need that type of players because we don't have many in Montreal or Hamilton.
Even when Moen plays on the 4th line he gets 3rd line minutes because he gets top PK time plus moves up to other lines in key defensive situations. His ice time the last three years has been 15:00, 13:11 and 15:43 all above the usual 8-10 minutes 4th lines play.

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06-30-2012, 11:14 AM
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Can't complain about this deal at all. Moen's completely worthwhile.

Really, this is one of those deals in which there's nothing to criticise.

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Tony is an idiot.

Moen's deal is fantastic.
Woah, woah. Moen's contract basically ended up scaled to the new cap. Let's be honest, though, I think most of us were hoping/expecting that he may be signed to a contract that (relatively) represented perhaps a slight cap savings - especially if a multi-year term was involved. "Status quo" can't really be 'fantastic', can it?

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teams like the leafs looking to get bigger upfront would have offered moen 2-3 yr deals worth around 2.5-3mill a yr, we get a good deal here.

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06-30-2012, 11:27 AM
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Woah, woah. Moen's contract basically ended up scaled to the new cap. Let's be honest, though, I think most of us were hoping/expecting that he may be signed to a contract that (relatively) represented perhaps a slight cap savings - especially if a multi-year term was involved. "Status quo" can't really be 'fantastic', can it?
It's a good deal on the premise that Moen is a great team player, a leader in the dressing room and will be a good mentor for a lot of the young players we have in the organization coming up. These are the intangible aspects of Moen that I've been preaching for some time, and in my opinion it's why he got the term he got. His play on the ice is also in line with that range of salary.

If he's overpaid, it's not by much, thus: I ain't worried about it.

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Woah, woah. Moen's contract basically ended up scaled to the new cap. Let's be honest, though, I think most of us were hoping/expecting that he may be signed to a contract that (relatively) represented perhaps a slight cap savings - especially if a multi-year term was involved. "Status quo" can't really be 'fantastic', can it?
Any UFA bottom 6 option would have resulted in something north of 2 mil.

For a slight upgrade at best, we're better off with Moen.

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06-30-2012, 11:32 AM
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It's a good deal on the premise that Moen is a great team player, a leader in the dressing room and will be a good mentor for a lot of the young players we have in the organization coming up. These are the intangible aspects of Moen that I've been preaching for some time, and in my opinion it's why he got the term he got. His play on the ice is also in line with that range of salary.

If he's overpaid, it's not by much, thus: I ain't worried about it.
And then there's the modified NTC though... Not a huuuge thing, but not a good thing necessarily, either.

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06-30-2012, 12:01 PM
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And then there's the modified NTC though... Not a huuuge thing, but not a good thing necessarily, either.
Only for the first two seasons, if I remember correctly?

He'll be of use to us for those two seasons easily.

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06-30-2012, 12:10 PM
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Woah, woah. Moen's contract basically ended up scaled to the new cap. Let's be honest, though, I think most of us were hoping/expecting that he may be signed to a contract that (relatively) represented perhaps a slight cap savings - especially if a multi-year term was involved. "Status quo" can't really be 'fantastic', can it?
i don't know... given the season he had last year (aside from the injury, which he recovered from and was cleared to play prior to the end of the season), and his play over the duration of his last contract as a whole, he was looking at a raise regardless of the team cap number.

that the cap went up significantly, yet he only got a minor raise, i think falls into the "better than status quo" realm.

granted, the 4 year term ends up being what the club "gave up", but for a variety of reasons I think 4 years won't be a problem for us.

the modified NTC doesn't worry me much, Moen doesn't strike me as a player who would get too picky about destinations if he had fallen out of favor and was being used in minimal roles... and even then, at a 1.85M$ cap hit, a buy-out or burrying him in the minors, if it came to that, wouldn't be that problematic.


all in all I'd call it a very good signing. He would have hit 2M$+ on the open market, and as some like to emphasize, signing in Montreal (taxes) means he gave up even more than the actual salary difference to stay here... he's committed, in giving him 4-years we showed that we are committed, let's hope the hockey gods reward us both for showing such good faith!

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06-30-2012, 12:13 PM
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Great inking, but I hope the Habs don't dismiss the size factor now, thinking Moen and White are enough. They ley Staubitz go... I really hope we are not going to retread the same path, thinking we'll get differant results.

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1.85 million, when the caps at 70.2 million, means he's taking up 1/38th of our salary allowed.

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That's what I was gonna say.
Always thought you were head of the Tony fanclub.

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06-30-2012, 12:21 PM
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Oh look...another salary cap expert

Tony's notoriously one of the best capologist out there
He acts like it's his money. Or like the fans would rather see Molson ice only bargains. It's a weird obsession of his. Teams like the Rangers and Flyers overpay freely, then dump contracts freely. Chicago did it to build a cup winner (although mainly they built up an incredible core of young talent). Who *** cares if he's overpaid by a few hundred grand in his final years, or even if he ends up making 1.85 to finish his career in the A. Isn't that just how a rich team (especially in a high-tax location) sweetens their deals?

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