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01-03-2005, 04:27 PM
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Is there any position you guys are concerned with?

In regards to the NYR's prospect chart?

Myself, I think we need more defensive defencemen. True there's

1. Fedor Tjutin 8.5A
2. Maxim Kondratiev 7.0B
3. Thomas Pock 7.0B

But Kondratiev and Pock are supposedly offencive type guys. Even then there's no guarantee that either of them will produce in the NHL. And, although there are more defensive guys lower down on the chart, we can't be sure if they'll ever make it to the bigs.

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Yes, I'm concerned with scoring and playmaking forwards. Especially center. We have Jessiman, Korpikoski, and Balej as good scoring and playmaking forwards and that's it. A few playmakers up front, a PP QB, and a defensive-defenseman would make our prospect pool great. I got a feeling that we're going to have about 3-5 more bad years before our young players will be able to push our way in the playoffs. Even if we were to get Crosby, we would still have a few holes.

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We have our most depth at center...
Jarkko Immonen
Garth Murray
Darin Olver
Peter Prucha
Brandon Dubinsky
Zdenek Bahensky
Dwight Helminen
Bruce Graham
Dominic Moore
Ken Roche
Lee Falardeau

LW...Korpikoski, Dawes, Jonasen,Psurny, Giroux, Wisemen

RW..Jessiman, Balej

D....Tyutin, Kondratiev, Taylor, Pock, Liffiton, Lampman, Baranka

We need wingers.

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01-03-2005, 06:44 PM
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Need wingers...

high-end centers...defensemen...the rebuild is not done yet. In fact, it's in about it's first, or maybe second, year.

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We have our most depth at center...
Jarkko Immonen
Garth Murray
Darin Olver
Peter Prucha
Brandon Dubinsky
Zdenek Bahensky
Dwight Helminen
Bruce Graham
Dominic Moore
Ken Roche
Lee Falardeau

LW...Korpikoski, Dawes, Jonasen,Psurny, Giroux, Wisemen

RW..Jessiman, Balej

D....Tyutin, Kondratiev, Taylor, Pock, Liffiton, Lampman, Baranka

We need wingers.
We also have Jan Marek at RW. Maybe Rangers will actually sign him. He is a bit older at 25 so maybe he would contribute right away like Hlavac did when he first came to the Rangers.

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We also have Jan Marek at RW. Maybe Rangers will actually sign him. He is a bit older at 25 so maybe he would contribute right away like Hlavac did when he first came to the Rangers.
He would have came over already.

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We have our most depth at center...
Jarkko Immonen
Garth Murray
Darin Olver
Peter Prucha
Brandon Dubinsky
Zdenek Bahensky
Dwight Helminen
Bruce Graham
Dominic Moore
Ken Roche
Lee Falardeau

LW...Korpikoski, Dawes, Jonasen,Psurny, Giroux, Wisemen

RW..Jessiman, Balej

D....Tyutin, Kondratiev, Taylor, Pock, Liffiton, Lampman, Baranka

We need wingers.
Most depth maybe, but not many potential impact players. Hopefully we can get a nice 2nd and 3rd line center from that list, but we need a #1

We need top line forwards, and a #1 defenseman 1st and foremost.

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Most depth maybe, but not many potential impact players. Hopefully we can get a nice 2nd and 3rd line center from that list, but we need a #1

We need top line forwards, and a #1 defenseman 1st and foremost.
You basically said what I said, but in a much shorter version.

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Well we arent even a year into rebuilding mode. Considering that, I am very happy with what we got. This will take years, but obviosuly we need that one big guy up front. A Malkin, Horton, Staal, etc.

He will come, but only with patience.

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We have our most depth at center...
Jarkko Immonen
Garth Murray
Darin Olver
Peter Prucha
Brandon Dubinsky
Zdenek Bahensky
Dwight Helminen
Bruce Graham
Dominic Moore
Ken Roche
Lee Falardeau

LW...Korpikoski, Dawes, Jonasen,Psurny, Giroux, Wisemen

RW..Jessiman, Balej

D....Tyutin, Kondratiev, Taylor, Pock, Liffiton, Lampman, Baranka

We need wingers.
there is a huge difference between quantity and quality...just because we can create a list of 35 names of guys that will either be 3rd or 4th liners or never make the nhl doesn't mean we have top end talent

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The only position we're set for, at least for now, is goaltending. We need top line forwards and a stud #1 defenseman (think Jack Johnson). We really only need one high-end defenseman, but could use a number of high-end forwards (all positions). The Rangers will have high picks for the next few years so all will come in good time.

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It seems to me that they have a lot of role players and depth at the goalie position.

They lack a franchise center and a franchise defenseman. That still needs to be addressed.

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It seems to me that they have a lot of role players and depth at the goalie position.

They lack a franchise center and a franchise defenseman. That still needs to be addressed.
maybe Sather still thinks Tom Poti is that franchise defenseman.

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Originally Posted by NYRangers
We have our most depth at center...
Jarkko Immonen
Garth Murray
Darin Olver
Peter Prucha
Brandon Dubinsky
Zdenek Bahensky
Dwight Helminen
Bruce Graham
Dominic Moore
Ken Roche
Lee Falardeau

LW...Korpikoski, Dawes, Jonasen,Psurny, Giroux, Wisemen

RW..Jessiman, Balej

D....Tyutin, Kondratiev, Taylor, Pock, Liffiton, Lampman, Baranka

We need wingers.
After reading most of your responses I've been persuaded into agreeing that NY needs a few more good forwards too... however, I'm a bit supprised at the emphasis on forwards over defencemen. I'd argue that you need 2 good lines at least then fill out the rest of the roster with decent role players/secondary scoring. And although there are a lot of centres in the system they can be shifted to the wings if the need arises. Having said that there are 19 forwards on this list here and only 7 defencemen. I still feel that we need a few strong defenders before strong forwards.

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My simple answer is: more of everything.

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i don't think a franchise center or franchise D is absolutely NEEDED...i think it's just important to have a franchise type player or two in there somewhere.

a franchise winger can be just as valuable and make a good #1 center a great one. and both calgary and tampa made it to the finals (and of course tampa won) without a franchise D

franchise defensemen are real nice when you can get one (i'd definatly take having one over not having one) but if you have a defense with a bunch of good players, i don't think you HAVE to have a franchise guy in there.

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i don't think a franchise center or franchise D is absolutely NEEDED...i think it's just important to have a franchise type player or two in there somewhere.

a franchise winger can be just as valuable and make a good #1 center a great one. and both calgary and tampa made it to the finals (and of course tampa won) without a franchise D

franchise defensemen are real nice when you can get one (i'd definatly take having one over not having one) but if you have a defense with a bunch of good players, i don't think you HAVE to have a franchise guy in there.
I agree that a franchise D isn't ABSOLUTELY necessary, but if you look past the last Stanley Cup you get...

Detroit - Lidstrom, to a lesser extent Chelios
Dallas - Hatcher
Colorado - Blake
New Jersey - Stevens

It seems like the teams with longevity as contenders have had franchise d-men. Even teams with successful long term competativeness such as St. Louis and the Sens have had those top d-men. The Flyers are the biggest example of not having a top d-man, but after goaltending that has long been considered a major problem. Sure we have Calgary, TB, and the Anaheim miracle but for the most part the top teams have that one guy who puts up the major minutes at an elite level.

As for a franchice center, it's not absolutely necessary but most - tho not all - contenders usually have at least one. You have to have at least a legit #1 center, and I'll stand behind that.

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Other than Lidstrom all were acquired outside of the draft.

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I agree that a franchise D isn't ABSOLUTELY necessary, but if you look past the last Stanley Cup you get...

Detroit - Lidstrom, to a lesser extent Chelios
Dallas - Hatcher
Colorado - Blake
New Jersey - Stevens

It seems like the teams with longevity as contenders have had franchise d-men. Even teams with successful long term competativeness such as St. Louis and the Sens have had those top d-men. The Flyers are the biggest example of not having a top d-man, but after goaltending that has long been considered a major problem. Sure we have Calgary, TB, and the Anaheim miracle but for the most part the top teams have that one guy who puts up the major minutes at an elite level.

As for a franchice center, it's not absolutely necessary but most - tho not all - contenders usually have at least one. You have to have at least a legit #1 center, and I'll stand behind that.
What the NYR's lack is a centerpiece young player, who is not a goalie. Forward or dman and either can be had outside the draft if need be.

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Barnaby..

those teams had franchise d-men, and they had franchise forwards.

Detroit - Yzerman, among others.
Dallas - Modano, among others.
Colorado - I needn't mention a forward here.
Jersey - A little more of a team effort, but there were scorers like Elias involved.

Having that top defensive guy does help make players around him better, which helps all around. But it is more than one key guy that's needed.

Ooops...sorry Barnaby...I think you're nearly saying the same as me. Sorry.

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those teams had franchise d-men, and they had franchise forwards.

Detroit - Yzerman, among others.
Dallas - Modano, among others.
Colorado - I needn't mention a forward here.
Jersey - A little more of a team effort, but there were scorers like Elias involved.

Having that top defensive guy does help make players around him better, which helps all around. But it is more than one key guy that's needed.
The Devils did have the A line.

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Yeah...

I was thinking for more than the one year they won. But it is a team effort, but having a few top six forwards helps. Having at least one elite forward helps. Having an elite defenseman helps. Having good complementary defensemen helps. Having a good coach, etc. There are many ingredients to winning. The right mix of a team, the right quality of players, someone to orchestrate it properly, etc., it's pretty elementary.

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