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06-30-2012, 11:14 PM
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Schenn was a 3rd. pairing defender who still has an upside. Burke originally said Schenn had #2 upside, but that was at least one bad season ago.

Leafs will have no issues inserting another 7th. defender into the line-up.

I think the defense is quite weak, but Schenn doesn't make it strong.
Leaf defense is better with Schenn than without him....I will say it now...JVR is the new whipping boy when he doesn't live up to the hype!!!!!

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Leaf defense is better with Schenn than without him....I will say it now...JVR is the new whipping boy when he doesn't live up to the hype!!!!!
He already hasn't lived up to the hype and it is still a good trade.

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And, nobody will beat out Komi for whipping boy.

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Leaf defense is better with Schenn than without him....I will say it now...JVR is the new whipping boy when he doesn't live up to the hype!!!!!
You got that right. He is all hype. Going 2nd overall and performing the way he did for the Flyers... he was a bust and that is why he was dealt.

He has not scored more than 21 goals playing in 75 games in a NHL season. Totally overhyped.

Burke is a joke.

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Leaf defense is better with Schenn than without him....I will say it now...JVR is the new whipping boy when he doesn't live up to the hype!!!!!
It was a fantastic trade. The Leafs already replaced and improved on Schenn in getting Matt Finn (yes Finn not the first rounder). I am sure we can bring up someone from the Marlies and not really notice he is gone.

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You got that right. He is all hype. Going 2nd overall and performing the way he did for the Flyers... he was a bust and that is why he was dealt.

He has not scored more than 21 goals playing in 75 games NHL season. Totally overhyped.

Burke is a joke. He needs to be fired.
please tell me you forgot the sarcasm smiley .. or else im going to start questioning people's sanity

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06-30-2012, 11:23 PM
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Not at all. JVR is nothing special.

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You got that right. He is all hype. Going 2nd overall and performing the way he did for the Flyers... he was a bust and that is why he was dealt.

He has not scored more than 21 goals playing in 75 games in a NHL season. Totally overhyped.

Burke is a joke.
What amazing accomplishment has Schenn "the miracle worker" performed that is so deserving of bashing this absolute steal of a trade. JVR is going to be a powerhouse by the time he is 26 (The age Grabo broke out).

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06-30-2012, 11:25 PM
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Not at all. JVR is nothing special.
and what exactly was Schenn?

JVR has had injury problems? what's Schenn's excuse?

i LOVE Schenn, but he WILL NOT be a top pairing guy any time soon ... may develop into a solid #3 though

JVR is a top 6er, and may develop into more

i was EXTREMELY pissed to see Schenn traded, but it gave both players a change of scenery

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06-30-2012, 11:26 PM
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What amazing accomplishment has Schenn "the miracle worker" performed that is so deserving of bashing this absolute steal of a trade. JVR is going to be a powerhouse by the time he is 26 (The age Grabo broke out).
Really? Look at his injuries. With the major concussion and hip issues.

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06-30-2012, 11:28 PM
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and what exactly was Schenn?

JVR has had injury problems? what's Schenn's excuse?

i LOVE Schenn, but he WILL NOT be a top pairing guy any time soon ... may develop into a solid #3 though

JVR is a top 6er, and may develop into more

i was EXTREMELY pissed to see Schenn traded, but it gave both players a change of scenery
JVR is not a top 6 player.

I am not saying Schenn was Drew Doughty, but come on. Burke got hosed again! Atleast Schenn was healthy and led the NHL in hits for D.

Just watch, Schenn is going to be an absolute Beast for Philly!

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It really feels like people just pulled up the player profile on TSN and are using it as the source for their opinions on JVR.

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06-30-2012, 11:33 PM
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JVR is not a top 6 player.

I am not saying Schenn was Drew Doughty, but come on. Burke got hosed again! Atleast Schenn was healthy and led the NHL in hits for D.

Just watch, Schenn is going to be an absolute Beast for Philly!
Maybe you should acquaint yourself with JVR's playoff performance two years ago.

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06-30-2012, 11:34 PM
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If you talk to Flyers fans(or read their forums prior to the trade), they will say JVR was at the very least a top 6 forward. So I hope you armchair GMs don't mind if I take their opinion over yours.

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Really? Look at his injuries. With the major concussion and hip issues.
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It's a novelty account

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Maybe you should acquaint yourself with JVR's playoff performance two years ago.
Great, that was 2 years ago.


Since then he has had a major concussion that sidelined him for almost the entire season. Once you get your bell rung like that you are never the same. It comes easier each time the brain has suffered major trauma. Look at guys Like Lindros and Marc Savard and so on.

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Great, that was 2 years ago.


Since then he has had a major concussion that sidelined him for almost the entire season. Once you get your bell rung like that you are never the same. It comes easier each time the brain has suffered major trauma. Look at guys Like Lindros and Marc Savard and so on.
You might want to check his injury history here.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=6041

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Great, that was 2 years ago.


Since then he has had a major concussion that sidelined him for almost the entire season. Once you get your bell rung like that you are never the same. It comes easier each time the brain has suffered major trauma. Look at guys Like Lindros and Marc Savard and so on.
Almost the entire season? He didn't even miss 20 games due to concussion issues.

Get your facts straight

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06-30-2012, 11:42 PM
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Missed the last 41 games of the regular season and 7 playoff games (concussion).

Player Y is signing a $100,000,000 contract tomorrow.
Sure, and Parise will not even pick the phone up when he sees its Burke. No way he comes to Toronto. But, can you really blame him?

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Almost the entire season? He didn't even miss 20 games due to concussion issues.

Get your facts straight
20 games is still a long time. That is major trauma.

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20 games is still a long time. That is major trauma.
It was 15.

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This is the only trade I can think of (although I guess you can count the Dion Phaneuf trade of a few years ago) where, at least on paper, Brian Burke has won the trade conclusively. One only has to read through the countless threads and posts on the Flyers forum to realize how truly angry most Flyers fans are with this trade. That should tell us as Leafs fans everything we need and want to know. As it stands now, Burke won this trade.

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This is the only trade I can think of (although I guess you can count the Dion Phaneuf trade of a few years ago) where, at least on paper, Brian Burke has won the trade conclusively. One only has to read through the countless threads and posts on the Flyers forum to realize how truly angry most Flyers fans are with this trade. That should tell us as Leafs fans everything we need and want to know. As it stands now, Burke won this trade.
I can't think of one, other than the Kessel trade, where he didn't hose the other team.

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I can't think of one, other than the Kessel trade, where he didn't hose the other team.
That's why I thre the word "conclusively" in there. Aside from the Phaneuf trade, I think an argument could be made for both sides as to who ultimately won, at the time of the trade.

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