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06-30-2012, 03:35 PM
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I'd rather spend that 7-8m on a pair of wingers personally.
The problem is those wingers don't exist.

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I agree, but man, if we lock up Parise we better make a serious trade for some defensemen. Our defense looks ****in' terrible right now. And we still have our worst two failures in the offseason clinging on (Martin & Orpik).

Someone mentioned Boychuck this week, and I wasn't on board at the time, but the more I think about it, the more I like it. Overpay a little for Boychuck - why not? Find someone via trade. Giordano might work, though I don't know his contract.
I take credit for the Boychuck suggestion

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If we are talking karma, how about Rolling Rock? They left us for NJ, so Parise leaving NJ for us would balance things out on the karmic scale.

Of course, you might have to wash it down with a real beer.
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06-30-2012, 03:38 PM
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What about a deal around Radulov's rights for Martin?
Contrary to popular opinion, Martin doesn't have negative trade value. The + on the Nashville side had better be huge if the Pens are trading roster player who is capable of top 4 D play for only the rights to a guy who flaked out on his own team and got suspended for it.

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Johnny boychuk? He was resigned.

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06-30-2012, 03:45 PM
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Offering up to 8 mil for 10 years is pretty ridiculous for Parise, but losing Staal, Im starting to lean towards doing anything necessary to get another elte talent behind Sid/Geno. Big insurance policy if Sid goes down.
This is something people are forgetting about. If Sid goes down theres not many on the market that can fill in like ZP could/can.
Good post.

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06-30-2012, 03:48 PM
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Yeah, Rossi of all people suggested that the other day. They view Parise as insurance if Crosby goes down. Even if that's not "sourced" it's a valid point.

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The problem is those wingers don't exist.
Yep, this is the dilemma. It's not a deep FA class, if you miss on one of the big dogs, there just isn't much out there that would improve the team.

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06-30-2012, 03:54 PM
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Yeah, Rossi of all people suggested that the other day. They view Parise as insurance if Crosby goes down. Even if that's not "sourced" it's a valid point.
I am cool with that, as long as extending Malkin is a given. In that a big Parise contract doesn't negatively affect our ability to sign Geno.

As the only true insurance in replacing the best player in the world, is to sign long term the other best player in the world.

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06-30-2012, 03:56 PM
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I am cool with that, as long as extending Malkin is a given. In that a big Parise contract doesn't negatively affect our ability to sign Geno.

As the only true insurance in replacing the best player in the world, is to sign long term the other best player in the world.
I don't think Shero would ever jeopardize his ability to sign Malkin to a contract extension.

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06-30-2012, 03:57 PM
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I am cool with that, as long as extending Malkin is a given. In that a big Parise contract doesn't negatively affect our ability to sign Geno.

As the only true insurance in replacing the best player in the world, is to sign long term the other best player in the world.
This but I don't see it being a problem at all. Now you could argue it's risky to have so many long term contracts. However, the new CBA will likely limit contract lengths so having Sid, Parise, and possible Suter to long term deals will be fine.

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06-30-2012, 03:58 PM
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Rossi also suggested that we could afford another 8M contract and still re-sign Malkin for 9.5M if needed. Man, I've been on Rossi's nuts these last few days. My apologies.

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06-30-2012, 03:59 PM
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People want to go to Pittsburgh to win a cup

If I'm you guys, I sign Doan for between 4-5 per year, get Parise for about 7 ish, and I move MAF and Martin for some cap relief and sign Brodeur to Fleury's cap hit for 2 years

Tell me that wouldn't be a fun team to watch

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06-30-2012, 04:00 PM
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Rossi also suggested that we could afford another 8M contract and still re-sign Malkin for 9.5M if needed. Man, I've been on Rossi's nuts these last few days. My apologies.
This is true but again, it's all common sense. I'm not sure why we are acting like he's an authority when all he is doing is going on capgeek.com like you or I would.

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06-30-2012, 04:01 PM
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This is true but again, it's all common sense. I'm not sure why we are acting like he's an authority when all he is doing is going on capgeek.com like you or I would.
Oh, no doubt. It's just nice to hear how comfortable they are with it. Assuming, of course, that Rossi actually was told that by someone in the front office.

With Botterill, I'm confident that we can afford anyone we sign long-term or to a big caphit without any core ramifications.

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06-30-2012, 04:01 PM
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I don't think Shero would ever jeopardize his ability to sign Malkin to a contract extension.
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This but I don't see it being a problem at all. Now you could argue it's risky to have so many long term contracts. However, the new CBA will likely limit contract lengths so having Sid, Parise, and possible Suter to long term deals will be fine.
Yeah, I do agree with you both Ron and Shady.

Added that for emphasis on the point. As I do definitely trust in Shero and his ability to keep Malkin.

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06-30-2012, 04:03 PM
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People want to go to Pittsburgh to win a cup

If I'm you guys, I sign Doan for between 4-5 per year, get Parise for about 7 ish, and I move MAF and Martin for some cap relief and sign Brodeur to Fleury's cap hit for 2 years

Tell me that wouldn't be a fun team to watch
Who takes over the net after Brodeur? Vokoun? No thanks, just keep MAF.

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Oh, no doubt. It's just nice to hear how comfortable they are with it. Assuming, of course, that Rossi actually was told that by someone in the front office.

With Botterill, I'm confident that we can afford anyone we sign long-term or to a big caphit without any core ramifications.
Certainly can't hurt to hear someone in the media echo what we are thinking.

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Armstrong got bought out?

We had better sign that ****ing minor leaguer to keep Sid happy.

Oh, wait...

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Who takes over the net after Brodeur? Vokoun? No thanks, just keep MAF.
Worry about that in 2 years after you've had another cup parade or 2

MAF was garbage this past year in the playoffs. How he could be "outplayed" by Bryz is beyond me? If you point to one reason you lost that Philly series, Fleury has to be it

I move Fleury in a freakin heartbeat if MArty is coming to town

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People want to go to Pittsburgh to win a cup

If I'm you guys, I sign Doan for between 4-5 per year, get Parise for about 7 ish, and I move MAF and Martin for some cap relief and sign Brodeur to Fleury's cap hit for 2 years

Tell me that wouldn't be a fun team to watch
Yes, let's hamstring the team 2 years from now with an enormous goaltending hole.

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06-30-2012, 04:09 PM
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Worry about that in 2 years after you've had another cup parade or 2

MAF was garbage this past year in the playoffs. How he could be "outplayed" by Bryz is beyond me? If you point to one reason you lost that Philly series, Fleury has to be it

I move Fleury in a freakin heartbeat if MArty is coming to town
I'd point to our defense giving up odd man rush after odd man rush.

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Worry about that in 2 years after you've had another cup parade or 2

MAF was garbage this past year in the playoffs. How he could be "outplayed" by Bryz is beyond me? If you point to one reason you lost that Philly series, Fleury has to be it

I move Fleury in a freakin heartbeat if MArty is coming to town
Fleury didn't get outplayed by Bryz, our defense got cut open and was made to look like Giroux and company were playing a Timbits team. The tandem we have now is good enough to lead is the cup, our defense is the problem not the goalies.

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Fleury didn't get outplayed by Bryz, our defense got cut open and was made to look like Giroux and company were playing a Timbits team. The tandem we have now is good enough to lead is the cup, our defense is the problem not the goalies.
I'm not going to let MAF completely off the hook, but yeah the defense definitely didn't give him any support.

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I love how Rossi puts "I'm told" in his Mr. Obvious predictions, to make it sound like he's reporting something new / from a source.

"If Parise signs for a $10M cap hit, I'm told it will be the largest FA signing evar!"

"I'm told if we miss out on Parise, it's not about Sid."

"I'm told if we have to restructure Sid's Contract to $20M per season, Geno will have to be traded soon and that teams are interested but that Shero is not actively shopping him at this time."



What a ****ing toolbag. Hey Rob: we understand that "I'm told"= you talking to yourself, as opposed to Penguins players or mgmt, who don't talk to you, except during media scrums generally.

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