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06-30-2012, 07:34 PM
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Your cap limit was pretty sneaky though.

I think Bouwmeester is too overpaid to get the recognition he deserves. He can be one hell of a player and I think he would fit into our top 6 very well.

But come on... There's no way to do that.

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For some reason I can see Chia making a move like this and not for Offense
Why?

Has Chiarelli set a precedent of ridding the Bruins of established players, lately re-signed to cap-friendly deals, to bring in an overrated, overpaid defenseman?

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You seriously don't do Bouwmeester for Boychuk and Thomas?
as terrible as JB's contract is I wouldn't trade him for Bouwmeester.

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#JayBoNo

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Ray or Ryan, OOG?

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#JayBoNo

#WhitneyWatch
What the hell does this mean?

I must be some kind of old man... I know this is a Twitters reference. But I don't understand the Twitters.

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I don't know anything about him other than he hasn't missed a game since the lockout and his stats took a nose dive in Calgary. So I can make no judgement of whether this is a good idea or bad. I do know Boychuck has a NTC starting tomorrow so he is not going anywhere.

Bruins could trade for Jaybo tomorrow as they can exceed the cap by 10% ($7m) during the off-season. Maybe Caron + McQuaid ($2.6m total) for Jaybo ($6.6m) for a net plus of $4m. That leaves the 12th forward spot open for a rookie or Bourque who is earning less than $1m.

The Bruins can then continue to shop Thomas to cap floor teams to try to get the best deal. His $5m can come off and the Bruins will be cap compliant.

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What the hell does this mean?

I must be some kind of old man... I know this is a Twitters reference. But I don't understand the Twitters.

I could be wrong: Bouwmeester isn't an option, but Whitney (Ray or Ryan) is on the radar.

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Bouwmeester would make this team much better. He is a workhorse, Chara and Seids would be able to play 3-4 minutes less per game, which come playoffs makes them fresher.

To say JAY BO sucks is just plain stupid. Zanon and Corvo suck.

Jay Bo is overpaid by 1.5m. But he is still a good Dman that would thrive on a team that actually is good, and plays a well structured game.

As for Whitney(Ray). i would love him on this team. Don Sweeney compared Griffith to him, maybe Whitney has been tossed around by Chia and crew?

Sweeney then when on to compare Griffith to future hall of famer Ray Whitney, who will be one of the most sought-after unrestricted free agents when free agency opens Sunday.

"Ray Whitney's had a very successful career," Sweeney said. "I think [Griffith] has a little bit of blend of those talents, and those types of goals at the OHL level I think speak volumes for that type of player that he is. Hopefully he can go and do that as he moves forward to play against stronger players. We like him; we like the player; and we didn't necessarily know for sure whether or not he'd be there, but we're happy that he was when he was."

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Why?

Has Chiarelli set a precedent of ridding the Bruins of established players, lately re-signed to cap-friendly deals, to bring in an overrated, overpaid defenseman?
I Like what Chia has done with this team for the most part. No Gm is perfect that's for sure. What I'm saying is ........This team needs offense more than defense at this stage of the game. Availability of decent players vs overspending of overrated players is a major concern for Chia at this time I beleive. The only way we would get Bouwmeester is if there is only scraps left.

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#JayBoNo

#WhitneyWatch
just stopped at Richardson's for an ice cream and swear saw a guy looking like Ray Whitney eating a lemon sorbet. I have his hockey card on my refrigerator (I have a list of all the FA's listed in order of my preference) and even though there is a magnet covering part of his head the part I can see looks just like this guy.

Whitney-Kelly-Peverley

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just stopped at Richardson's for an ice cream and swear saw a guy looking like Ray Whitney eating a lemon sorbet. I have his hockey card on my refrigerator (I have a list of all the FA's listed in order of my preference) and even though there is a magnet covering part of his head the part I can see looks just like this guy.

Whitney-Kelly-Peverley
Has capgeek been updated yet?

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just stopped at Richardson's for an ice cream and swear saw a guy looking like Ray Whitney eating a lemon sorbet. I have his hockey card on my refrigerator (I have a list of all the FA's listed in order of my preference) and even though there is a magnet covering part of his head the part I can see looks just like this guy.

Whitney-Kelly-Peverley


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06-30-2012, 08:19 PM
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just stopped at Richardson's for an ice cream and swear saw a guy looking like Ray Whitney eating a lemon sorbet. I have his hockey card on my refrigerator (I have a list of all the FA's listed in order of my preference) and even though there is a magnet covering part of his head the part I can see looks just like this guy.

Whitney-Kelly-Peverley
Chocolate Mint Chip I bet

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Let's check the last couple of years.

Bouwmeester:

2010-11: 4 goals, 20 assists, minus-2, 25:59 TOI
2011-12: 5 goals, 24 assists, minus-21, 25:55 TOI

Seidenberg:

2010-11: 7 goals, 25 assists, plus-3, 23:33 TOI (playoffs, 1 goal, 10 assists, plus-12 27:38 TOI)
2011-12: 5 goals, 18 assists, plus-15, 24:02 TOI

And of course that's not even mentioning their cap hits, which are $3.25 million for Seidenberg (limited NTC) and $6.68 millon for Bouwmeester (full NTC).

Whatever your definition of "way better" is, I'd say Seidenberg IS "way better." I sure as hell wouldn't trade him for Bouwmeester straight up. Perhaps you would.

Here's their individual stats if people want to peruse further:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8470151

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8469619
Not talking about cap hit, just saying Dennis isin't way better than Jay Boo. Looking at stat (particulary for a defensmen) isn't a way to compare player. Seidenberg ranked 14th on the Bruins scoring, Bouwmeester is ranked 6th on the Flames. And comparing plus/minus between Calgary and Boston players seems unfair, no? I'm not saying Dennis isn't an awsome player, nor am I taking shot at him, I'm just saying he is not WAY better than Bouwmeester.

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I Like what Chia has done with this team for the most part. No Gm is perfect that's for sure. What I'm saying is ........This team needs offense more than defense at this stage of the game. Availability of decent players vs overspending of overrated players is a major concern for Chia at this time I beleive. The only way we would get Bouwmeester is if there is only scraps left.
Um, what?

When does Chiarelli go out and overspend on overrated players?

And Bouwmeester isn't an FA. He won't be for two years. Unless you're implying that Chiarelli is going to trade for him, which makes no sense whatsoever, considering the state of the Bruins defense and their cap situation.

In short, I don't know what on earth you're talking about.

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Not talking about cap hit, just saying Dennis isin't way better than Jay Boo. Looking at stat (particulary for a defensmen) isn't a way to compare player. Seidenberg ranked 14th on the Bruins scoring, Bouwmeester is ranked 6th on the Flames. And comparing plus/minus between Calgary and Boston players seems unfair, no? I'm not saying Dennis isn't an awsome player, nor am I taking shot at him, I'm just saying he is not WAY better than Bouwmeester.
When you're talking about players in today's NHL, you HAVE to talk about cap hits, sorry. It's part of how players are judged. And I'll take Seidenberg any day of the week and twice on Sunday, even without the cap hit.


Man, a lemon sorbet sounds really good right around now.

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That team wins the Stanley Cup.

Your cap limit was pretty sneaky though.

I think Bouwmeester is too overpaid to get the recognition he deserves. He can be one hell of a player and I think he would fit into our top 6 very well.

But come on... There's no way to do that.
No, no way. They could, the cap limit is just raised to reflect Savard's LTIE, but they won't.

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As a general question to blast out there...

Is there a single fan out there who would REJECT the notion of signing Ray Whitney?

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As a general question to blast out there...

Is there a single fan out there who would REJECT the notion of signing Ray Whitney?
I think he has 1 or 2 years left in the tank . I can see him on this team .

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Not talking about cap hit, just saying Dennis isin't way better than Jay Boo. Looking at stat (particulary for a defensmen) isn't a way to compare player. Seidenberg ranked 14th on the Bruins scoring, Bouwmeester is ranked 6th on the Flames. And comparing plus/minus between Calgary and Boston players seems unfair, no? I'm not saying Dennis isn't an awsome player, nor am I taking shot at him, I'm just saying he is not WAY better than Bouwmeester.
Jay Bouwmeester is significantly better than Seidenberg. Period.

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Wideman has outscored Bouwmeester each of the last four years

Just saying. It's not like Bouwmeester is any better than Wideman defensively either.
I'm sorry Dojji but that statement is so bad and so wrong... I don't even know where to start.

OT: does anybody else have a pic of Brian Burke on the one dollar bill on their screens? WTF is up with that?

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Just saying. It's not like Bouwmeester is any better than Wideman defensively either.
ummmmmmm, what? this is where you not actually watching games on TV causes problems. bouwmeester makes wideman look like andy delmore defensively. probably worse, actually. jay's biggest "problem" is that he's just a really solid defenseman who doesn't hit or generate a lot of offense. really good player, eats minutes, tremendous skater, bad cap hit.

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Calgary signs Wideman with the intention of trading Jay; Let's say for arguement sake.

Problem with Jay is the pricetag.. his cap hit is almost 6.7 for this season and next. Only way PC would even consider this would be if TT was involved. Maybe Thomas and Ference for Bouwmeester. Flames lose Jays contract for this season and next while only having to pay Thomas's full contract this season. Ference returns to Calgary and that evens out cap hits or even puts us a little better.

Some defencemen take years to reach their peek. Last 2-3 yrs on a Poor Florida team, offenceively he was much better. Under Juliens system, he could blossom. WITHOUT A DOUBT, he would be better than he was in Calgary.

I dont think for a second Bruins trade for JB but if they were, Thomas would HAVE to go the other way and then, well could be a good thing!!

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I know Eklund ain't reliable...but he has it listed too as a "most common rumour heard right now":

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Any thing is possible because we both and a host of others know just about the same thing.

I have no idea what this player has done to earn have of his salary.

This would Ryder, Pouliot and Corvo rolled up all into one for most of you out there.

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Jay Bouwmeester is significantly better than Seidenberg. Period.


I totally agree with you, just didn't wanted to take a shot at Seidenberg.

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But Bouwmeester is playing for the Flames and Seidenberg for the Bruins which makes Seidenberg way better right away.

Bouwmeester definitely would be a better #3 guy here.
And I think he also would be looking pretty darn good next to Chara like Seidenberg does.

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