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Ales Hemsky "Heavily in Play"

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07-04-2012, 10:00 PM
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I'll be honest, I haven't read through the entire thread so if this has been brought up and then shot down by either side I apologize. If Winnipeg fails to sign anther top 6 winger and Enstrom isn't re-signed would Jets fans to a Hemsky+ for Enstrom deal. I think the + would need to have some value but Enstrom going into his UFA year is a risk for Edmonton. Maybe Hemsky and one of the Oilers young Dmen (Tuebert, Musil, That Czech kid with a name I can't spell Marin...., hell if management was confident enough they could re-sign him then even Klefbom).
I'd do Hemsky and a prospect d-man for Enstrom, but not Klefbom or Marinhoweveryouspellit (Marincin). And probably not Gernat. But I'd do any of Fedun, Musil, or Teubert. We'd even include Omark.

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07-04-2012, 11:10 PM
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I'd do Hemsky and a prospect d-man for Enstrom, but not Klefbom or Marinhoweveryouspellit (Marincin). And probably not Gernat. But I'd do any of Fedun, Musil, or Teubert. We'd even include Omark.
Enstrom is definitely worth more than that

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07-04-2012, 11:27 PM
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Enstrom is definitely worth more than that
He's a UFA in a year. I think Hemsky's value is only slightly lower than Enstrom's everywhere but on HF.

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He's a UFA in a year. I think Hemsky's value is only slightly lower than Enstrom's everywhere but on HF.
I strongly disagree. Enstrom's worth a lot more than that.

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07-04-2012, 11:41 PM
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I strongly disagree. Enstrom's worth a lot more than that.
That's why I said "everywhere but HF" smart guy. As in, Hemsky's value is more in real life than it is on HF.

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Well I don't see Nash going to Detroit and I don't see Detroit coughing up enough to land Bobby Ryan... so if Detroit doesn't sign Semin I'd now peg Detroit for being a team interested in Hemsky... even though I don't think he's the answer for their franchise.

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Hmm...

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07-05-2012, 12:04 AM
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I think Hemsky's value is only higher than Enstrom's in delusional Oilers fans minds.
I don't recall anyone saying that Hemsky has more value than Enstrom. Enstrom does have more value, that's a given. It's how much more value that is the question. And we seem to be at a disagreement on that.

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Haha I realized I misread but too late!

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how about bogosian to the oilers

for hemsky,+ whitney +omark/plante to the jets

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how about bogosian to the oilers

for hemsky,+ whitney +omark/plante to the jets

From the Jets proposing? Done deal from Edmonton perspective.

Don't know if fellow Oiler fans will agree with me though, but Omark/Plante are redundant, Hemsky is on our third line right now and Whitney is on our third pairing. Bogosian is exactly what we are looking for, and could easily slot top four.

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07-05-2012, 03:37 AM
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how about bogosian to the oilers

for hemsky,+ whitney +omark/plante to the jets
I'll go fire up the paperwork! I believe our work here is done folks.

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07-05-2012, 03:43 AM
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how about bogosian to the oilers

for hemsky,+ whitney +omark/plante to the jets
Done deal for sure, don't see winnipeg doing this though

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I'll go fire up the paperwork! I believe our work here is done folks.
Haha. NOT EVEN CLOSE. BOGOSIAN IS NOT AVAILABLE. END OF STORY!!!!!!!!!!!

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Haha. NOT EVEN CLOSE. BOGOSIAN IS NOT AVAILABLE. END OF STORY!!!!!!!!!!!
What if we beg you

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He's a UFA in a year. I think Hemsky's value is only slightly lower than Enstrom's everywhere but on HF.
Enstrom is a defenseman to begin with which already doubles the worth of Hemsky. Dial in The Hemsky excuses and Enstrom is more likely to be worth triple. That said, one Enstrom is still worth more than 3 Hemskys.

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Enstrom is a defenseman to begin with which already doubles the worth of Hemsky. Dial in The Hemsky excuses and Enstrom is more likely to be worth triple. That said, one Enstrom is still worth more than 3 Hemskys.
I agree with this^.

Enstrom could miss 75% of the next 3 seasons w/ injury and still be worth more than Hemsky.

And Tambo resigns Hesmky at $5m per???? What was he thinking? His injury history, + horrid contract makes him a cap dump.

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Alex Hemsky + Belanger

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Griffin Reinhart + Marty Reasoner

I know it's a slight over payment by Edmonton, but that's what I figure it would take to get Reinhart. Reasoner wasn't the best last year and if Belanger regains his scoring touch he would be a big improvement. Reasoner is traded to free up a space for Belanger and would fill in until Lander is ready.

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Enstrom is a defenseman to begin with which already doubles the worth of Hemsky. Dial in The Hemsky excuses and Enstrom is more likely to be worth triple. That said, one Enstrom is still worth more than 3 Hemskys.
Haha I like you

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I agree with this^.

Enstrom could miss 75% of the next 3 seasons w/ injury and still be worth more than Hemsky.

And Tambo resigns Hesmky at $5m per???? What was he thinking? His injury history, + horrid contract makes him a cap dump.
lolwut? Post of the year right here...

It's not a horrible contract nor is he a cap dump until he is either re-injured or doesn't perform. If he puts up 60+ points which is more then possible, it'll look like a pretty sweet contract. Just this offseason alone check out the return for the PAP's and Hudlers of the world. Oh and Leino says what's up too. Plus your boy Marc Savard. Loving the Hemsky hate. What a joke.


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EDM

Alex Hemsky + Belanger

NYI

Griffin Reinhart + Marty Reasoner

I know it's a slight over payment by Edmonton, but that's what I figure it would take to get Reinhart. Reasoner wasn't the best last year and if Belanger regains his scoring touch he would be a big improvement. Reasoner is traded to free up a space for Belanger and would fill in until Lander is ready.
I don't think Hemsky is worth the 4th overall pick.

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lolwut? Post of the year right here...

It's not a horrible contract nor is he a cap dump until he is either re-injured or doesn't perform. If he puts up 60+ points which is more then possible, it'll look like a pretty sweet contract. Just this offseason alone check out the return for the PPA's and Hudlers of the world was. Oh and Leino says what's up too. Plus your boy Marc Savard. Loving the Hemsky hate. What a joke.
You forgot to mention Thomas

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From the Jets proposing? Done deal from Edmonton perspective.

Don't know if fellow Oiler fans will agree with me though, but Omark/Plante are redundant, Hemsky is on our third line right now and Whitney is on our third pairing. Bogosian is exactly what we are looking for, and could easily slot top four.
That guy is an Oilers fan and you guys know it.

No way Bogosian goes for that garbage offer.

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And you missed the point entirely, congratulations. Why is it that major injuries affect the value of everyone on HF (Gaborik, Havlat included), but not nearly as much in real life by real GM's? Maybe because HF puts way too much stock into it.
Yeah, Gaborik and Havlat got their huge paydays in FA and I wasn't trying to argue that no one would go and overpay Hemsky. That would be foolish, because somebody already did that. Sometimes this works (Gaborik), sometimes it doesn't (DiPietro). Edmonton took a chance on it being the former, fine, still don't think he has the value to get you a top4 D without his own issues though, but it is nice to know that you (other than anyone else around here) know how real GM thinks, please bring your light to some other threads too.

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