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07-01-2012, 02:25 PM
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...and that's why he was the 1st signing of the day. We had to overpay to get him to agree. That's more than Brule's qualifying offer, yes? The staff must have wanted size over Brule's skill.

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Overpayment by 30-40%
Unless he can put up 20 goals and provide a bit of physicality in the bottom six, in which case that's about the right value and maybe even a bit of an underpayment.

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Overpayment by 30-40%
Welcome to July 1st. This is still much better than the Jovo contract. It's not exactly a crippling number.

As for the Whitney comments. There is no way the NHL is going to allow a franchise that they control to offer a 40+ year old player a multi-year contract. How could they sit and negotiate a CBA and be guilty of the exact thing that they are attempting to negotiate out of the game. The huge issue are these multi-year deals with bogus years thrown in when a player reaches their 40's. How do you argue against those contracts and then go sign a player who is 40+. You can't and that's why the Coyotes were only allowed a one off.

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Too much? Yes. But considering all the CS we have, not that big of a deal. I do think it is a bit more than just a "little" too high, but meh. GMDM has to do something to get guys to sign.

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GMDM has to do something to get guys to sign.
It would not be surprising to discover that agents/players are adding a "league ownership/relocation potential surcharge" to their salary demands when dealing with the Coyotes.

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It would not be surprising to discover that agents/players are adding a "league ownership/relocation potential surcharge" to their salary demands when dealing with the Coyotes.
considering the taxes in Quebec they would be stupid not to.

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It could be worse, we could have given Prust $10m over 4 yrs like Montreal did. Sometimes a big budget isn't a good thing

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07-01-2012, 02:36 PM
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Prust is an excellent PKer, a short handed threat, and one of the most active fighters in the NHL.

2.5 is too much, but I wish we had him.

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Prust is an excellent PKer, a short handed threat, and one of the most active fighters in the NHL.

2.5 is too much, but I wish we had him.
$2.5 is too much. Four years is way too much.

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Guessing this is a Pyatt replacement and just GMDM's desire to get more size. Don't think he's a real physical guy. 12 PIM last year, 18 the year before. Sounds like another oversized Lady Byng candidate.
I've seen several references to his size but he doesn't appear to be that big, different sites have him listed at 200lbs, the top I've seen is 207lbs. Not a small player of course but certainly not big by any stretch. I'm not sure that's a replacement for 230lbs Pyatt.

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Random Sharks blog post about Moss:
http://www.fearthefin.com/2012/6/29/...ets-david-moss

I'm guessing Maloney knows what he's doing and we just got bigger and tougher to play against.

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I've seen several references to his size but he doesn't appear to be that big, different sites have him listed at 200lbs, the top I've seen is 207lbs. Not a small player of course but certainly not big by any stretch. I'm not sure that's a replacement for 230lbs Pyatt.
He uses what he has better than Pyatt uses what he has.

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Plus, for a player of that style, reach is as important as heft, if not more so.

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Good points but size is still size. I thought Pyatt stood out against the Kings and I think it had more to do with sheer mass than anything. He was one of the few Coyotes on the ice who could still go wherever he wanted to.

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Pyatt plays that way occasionally. Moss plays that way usually. Problem is how infrequently Moss plays, at all.

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If GMDM sees something in him then I'm on board. In GMDM I trust

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Pyatt plays that way occasionally. Moss plays that way usually. Problem is how infrequently Moss plays, at all.
That and Moss is noticeably smaller than Pyatt.

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10-15 goals is pretty important on this team. I don't mind this signing, but if we're looking at injury prone players why wouldn't we have taken a chance on Latendresse with higher upside? Or Boyes for that matter. Both of whom went cheaper?
At anyrate, Moss is defensively responsible which means Tipp will actually play him. And if he can PK, he's more valuable than Pyatt in the scheme of things. So I guess he replaces Pyatt or Brule's production? (I'd much rather see us give Brule more ice time on a new contract -- I thought he was consistently one of our better players in the post season but played heavily sheltered minutes)

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10-15 goals is pretty important on this team. I don't mind this signing, but if we're looking at injury prone players why wouldn't we have taken a chance on Latendresse with higher upside? Or Boyes for that matter. Both of whom went cheaper?
At anyrate, Moss is defensively responsible which means Tipp will actually play him. And if he can PK, he's more valuable than Pyatt in the scheme of things. So I guess he replaces Pyatt or Brule's production? (I'd much rather see us give Brule more ice time on a new contract -- I thought he was consistently one of our better players in the post season but played heavily sheltered minutes)
Latrendresse has great hands but is always hopelessly out of shape and has a questionable attitude/work ethic.

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Personally I'd rather have kept Pyatt if Moss is indeed a replacement for him. I
Agreed, but I fear he is NOT a Pyatt replacement and then we have a big big problem.

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Interesting side note: Moss is a cousin of Toronto's Phil Kessel.

P.S. This forum is great for new Coyotes fans like myself Hi all!
Welcome. I've always held this to be the best Coyotes enclave on the net.

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Moss is a vastly more effective special team contributor than is Pyatt.

Moss actually screens the goalie with regularity on the PP as well as being able to PK. Plus he can fill in at center.

I won't call him consistent, but certainly much more consistent than Pyatt. Much more versatile, and overall more effective in all areas.

Having said that, he's obviously had problems staying healthy.

I like Moss more than Pyatt.

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07-02-2012, 01:49 PM
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Maloney said that the Coyotes were targeting 2 to 3 players, and they signed him away from the Flames (who were trying to re-sign him). And he did play for Playfair 1 season, so he sees something in him.
upside: a potential 20+ goal scorer
downside: only played over 64 games 1 season, partially because of the physical style he plays, he is injury prone

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07-02-2012, 02:16 PM
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So for someone who doesn't know too many NHL players and their roles outside of the 'Yotes, what kind of player is Moss? Pyatt replacement? 3rd line grinder?

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So for someone who doesn't know too many NHL players and their roles outside of the 'Yotes, what kind of player is Moss? Pyatt replacement? 3rd line grinder?
Pyatt replacement. Similar game overall, a bit ganglier but a more willing offensive player. Greater scoring upside while maintaining the same grinding capabilities. He's also much more likely to get hurt.

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Big and gritty but not punishing or aggressive. Good along the boards, in traffic, and in front of the net. Good defensively, and decent pp/pk contributor. Versatile, and can play all forward positions. Terribly injury prone. Inconsistent but nearly as much as Pyatt is.

I personally feel like he's a small to moderate upgrade on Pyatt in nearly all areas other than ability to stay healthy.

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