That's between you and other posters. I don't recall saying anything like that but cool story bro!
If players like Boll are running our players, Hordichuk isn't going to be able to do anything about it. Sure he can try to "send a message" but how many times have we seen a player change the way they play because another player fought them? It happens very rarely if ever.
I just can't see any benefit in having a player that isn't good at anything except for fighting on the team. I'd rather use that roster spot on a player who can kill penalties, score a goal more than once every fifty games or at least play more than four minutes a night.
Have you ever played hockey where there was a real possibility of getting your face beaten in?
Im going to go out on a limb and say no.
I don't understand his argument. It's like saying "prove to me someone didn't do something because they didnt wanna get punched in the face" well I can't prove it to you... Because they simply didn't do it... Because they didn't wanna get punched in the face...
I don't understand his argument. It's like saying "prove to me someone didn't do something because they didnt wanna get punched in the face" well I can't prove it to you... Because they simply didn't do it... Because they didn't wanna get punched in the face...
Yet I showed you situations where players were run despite a goon being on the team.
Were the players that threw those hits afraid of being "punched in the face"?
When I made that post I was hoping someone could show me a situation where a goon "sent a message" to another player after he ran someone and that player never ran anyone again. Has it ever happened?
Yet I showed you situations where players were run despite a goon being on the team.
Were the players that threw those hits afraid of being "punched in the face"?
When I made that post I was hoping someone could show me a situation where a goon "sent a message" to another player after he ran someone and that player never ran anyone again. Has it ever happened?
How old are you? Ever wonder how Gretzky played in the league all those years?
You are trying to quantify something that cannot be put into a nice equation and shown as being effective or not to people who have never been on the ice before.
That is usually the crux of the argument. You usually see people who have never been on the ice when there is a chance he may have to fight say that is doesn't do anything. I don't know how you can say it doesn't do anything when you have never been there yourself.
How old are you? Ever wonder how Gretzky played in the league all those years?
Was it because there was a player on his team that couldn't contribute offensively, is a defensive liability, only plays three minutes a night and is useless outside of getting into staged fights with other useless players?
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You are trying to quantify something that cannot be put into a nice equation and shown as being effective or not to people who have never been on the ice before.
That is usually the crux of the argument. You usually see people who have never been on the ice when there is a chance he may have to fight say that is doesn't do anything. I don't know how you can say it doesn't do anything when you have never been there yourself.
If you take a look at which teams have goons and which don't you will notice that it is largely random which teams get run a lot. The Oilers have goons, our players get hurt all of the time. Detroit has no goons, they don't usually have injury problems. It's not quantifiable but it's easy to tell there is no correlation.
If you take a look at which teams have goons and which don't you will notice that it is largely random which teams get run a lot. The Oilers have goons, our players get hurt all of the time. Detroit has no goons, they don't usually have injury problems. It's not quantifiable but it's easy to tell there is no correlation.
Easy to tell from behind your keyboard?
Glen Sather has always had one of the toughest guys around on his team. His teams have NEVER been pushed around.
Look at the Rangers last year. Led the league in fighting majors.
But I guess we should take your word over the actions of Glen Sather.
How silly...That's like saying how do you know speed limits lead to less incidents..You don't know there are less because they didn't have an incident??
What example would you expect? Someone to say, "Well, I remember a time back in '05 when having some tough guy on X team stopped someone else from getting hurt"...
Really, you want an example?
Or at least an argument of some sort which seems to be beyond you.
You cant 'prove' that having a tough guy who can't play the game is a deterrent to a skill player getting injured. Having said that there are plenty of examples of where a tough guy was dressed and an Oiler still got run.
What is the point of having a tough guy bang some heads after the fact...the damage is done.
Here is the reality....a tough guy that can't play the game does not help the team win. That is a matter of statistical record.
No you don't, you clearly have no experience with how intimidation works on the ice.
It doesn't work.
Why do you think our star players get run so much even though we employ players like Hordichuk and MacIntyre?
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You are, in effect calling gm's, and coaches in the nhl, a collection of dumbasses because they dress players like Hordichuk.
Do you really think Hordichuk's five minutes a night is what is holding us back from the playoffs?
Im no nhler but I did play junior and intimidation is real, not imagined.
You should take a step back and look at the absurdity of what you are suggesting.
I'm not saying it's holding us back from the playoffs. It certainly isn't making our team better. That roster spot could be used on a player that actually has a use.
I'm not saying it's holding us back from the playoffs. It certainly isn't making our team better. That roster spot could be used on a player that actually has a use.
Who do you think Hordichuk is intimidating?
Hordichuk has a use.
Players on the other team?
Have you ever been punched in the face by an adult who is much bigger and stronger than you?
If yes, how did it feel?
Did it feel like something you would want to have happen again?
If no, then you dont know what you are talking about.
I can tell you from experience, having a player on your team who you know has your back, gives you confidence. Not having that has the opposite effect.
Stauffer's interview with Hordi today is must listen radio. He implies (without trying to criticize Renney too much) about how he's looking forward to "doing the job that he loves" now that Krueger is coach. Other highlights:
-- He's still planning on settling the score against Dorsett
-- mentioned how the one game he missed (his wife was having a baby) against Calgary was the one Sarich went after Hall. Hordi's got payback in mind!
-- Bob mentioned Glencross trying to start a fight with Nuge. Hordi didn't know that, now he wants Glencross too! He said, "If you let him do that once, he'll think he can get away with all the time. My kid is the same way. Now I have to treat Glencross like a 3 year old!"
Have you ever been punched in the face by an adult who is much bigger and stronger than you?
If yes, how did it feel?
Did it feel like something you would want to have happen again?
If no, then you dont know what you are talking about.
How many fights were there last season? I don't think players are as intimidated by getting punched in the face as you think they are. Especially the type of players that will take runs at other guys.
How many fights were there last season? I don't think players are as intimidated by getting punched in the face as you think they are. Especially the type of players that will take runs at other guys.
Hordi.
