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07-03-2012, 08:32 AM
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Trade Cogliano

Not sure how much support I will get with that idea, but I was thinking roster lines this year and I can't figure out where Cogliano fits in. Logic dictates that he needs to go. Just trade him for a 2nd rounder or something like that.

How do the rest of the Ducks Community feel about Cogs? Am I too harsh? Do you see a good fit somewhere?

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07-03-2012, 08:37 AM
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PK
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Character (work ethic)

He will get a spot on 2/3d line LW.

It`s way to early to make roster lines at this point.

I`d love to get Sidney freaking Crosby in exchange for him, but i doubt that will happen
Another 2nd rounder (if we even get that) (trade) at this point would make more issues than solve, imo. Even if that is PK alone.

His speed could be even more valuable if guy like Etem makes a team.

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07-03-2012, 09:01 AM
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He's a good defensive forward who can chip in on offence every now and then. I like him more than most people here, but wouldn't mind trading him if that's what needs to be done for this team to afford a new top six forward.

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07-03-2012, 09:07 AM
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Perennial 3rd line winger. Trade him or not, I don't care. If we, again, start a season counting on him to produce, we're in for another long season.

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07-03-2012, 09:15 AM
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Ideally Cogliano is a 4th liner and PK specialist. I think he'd be a great part of a 4th line that could actually play 10-12 minutes. Unfortunately with his salary and our budget he's a middle-sixer.

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I think its funny how everyone thrased Hagman more than Cogliano considering they had almosgt equal points when Hagman played 20 less games. Hagman was also good at PK etc. And he was picked of the waivers midlle of the season. Personally i would have kept Hagman instead of Cogliano(use him for trading a 2C). Plus he cost us less. And if you think this has something to do with the fact that hes finnish; nope.
Cogliano in my mind had way bigger expectations than Hags. I think Cogliano is a bit overrated.

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07-03-2012, 09:39 AM
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Hagman is actually a better player as far as I'm concerned, but man did he fall of a cliff at the end of the season. He was nowhere, literally nowhere. Was it conditioning or passing of a trade deadline, I don't know.

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07-03-2012, 10:06 AM
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I think Cogliano is a bit overrated.
I think that's almost literally impossible, at this point.


I don't know. I am not entirely against trading him, but I don't really see a point in it, either. We're lacking depth to begin with, and can still use the defensive play and couple points he's chipping in.

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Cogliano is the new Blake without being as overpaid. He's an ok player but this team needs bigger bottom 6 players and he just doesn't fit the bill. But as long as there's no one better to take his place, his services are welcome.

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07-03-2012, 12:09 PM
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Eh, I'm a pretty big Cogliano and Blake hater, but one thing both players always bring is energy. Every team needs players that bring the same intensity and energy every shift. With this teams natural lacksadasical attitude at times I'm glad he's still with the team.

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07-03-2012, 12:28 PM
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I think Cogliano has the right tools he just doesn't know when to use them. When he hits a certain intensity level combined with poise, he looks dominant, I think the problem with him is he tries to do too much and he tries to do things he just can't do. He needs to keep his head up and simplify his game.

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Cogliano had 13 goals last season, pretty solid for a 3rd liner if you ask me. He has defenitely brought (some) depth scoring, compared to Nokelainen, Artyukhin, Carter, Chipchura, Bodie, Brown and some other experiments in recent years.

He was playing with better linemates in Edmonton, if the Ducks can provide him with some decent surroundings he should be able to put up 30+ points to go along with the PK ability and good defensive awareness.

But like I posted before, if the internal budget isn't going up, some player will have to move if Murray is planning on getting some top six forward in the $3-$4 mil range.

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Cogs was solid last year... Don't see him being as bad as Blake or hags ever

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im a firm believer that brandon mcmillan can do the job cogs has done for us. Thats why i never really understood the trade. Plus, mcmilly can actually play physical as well, albeit he is still not a huge guy.

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im a firm believer that brandon mcmillan can do the job cogs has done for us. Thats why i never really understood the trade. Plus, mcmilly can actually play physical as well, albeit he is still not a huge guy.
Agreed.

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I hate cogs salary.

I don't know if cogs has energy, or speed. I mean, we are so average or slow up front. Anybody with any speed looks like a gamer.

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I wouldn't trade him unless he was part of a package to land a top 6 forward...which I doubt he'll be.

I have no problem with Cogliano. Dude busted his ass last season and chipped in 13 goals.

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07-03-2012, 08:20 PM
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If the ducks trade him I hope they get more back then they gave up to get him. Just to see the reaction from the oiler fan

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I have no issue with Cogliano but I think the team up front is too small and would like to see a bigger bodied player who can put up a similar amount of points and play a more physical brand of hockey in his place.

I agree with the thought that McMillan can perform the same role for a fraction of the price. McMillan also has much better hockey sense and is a better PKer than Cogliano.

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im a firm believer that brandon mcmillan can do the job cogs has done for us. Thats why i never really understood the trade. Plus, mcmilly can actually play physical as well, albeit he is still not a huge guy.
Cogliano wasn't brought in to replace McMillan, he was brought in to play with him. Bonino wasn't exactly looking like a 3rd line center last year, if even a 4th line center... Also McMillan: 21 hits in 25 games this season, 53 hits in 60 games last year. Cogliano: 88 hits in 82 games this year. There's hardly a differance there.

Anyways, McMillan was sent down for a reason, he wasn't even close to the player he was the year before. MAYBE he can be as good as Cogs next year, but he sure as hell wasn't as good this past season.

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07-04-2012, 04:27 AM
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I have a good feeling about McMillan this upcoming season, so i think Cogs will see a good competition.

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I have a good feeling about McMillan this upcoming season, so i think Cogs will see a good competition.
I'm not trying to be a troll or even come off as rude, but I personally dislike statements like this, do you have any reasoning behind thinking McMillan might have a good season or are you just bolstering your post count? Have you done any research on the subject?

Last year he looked downright terrible at times, and although I've always been a fan of his I wasn't at all surprised when he was sent down, he's also hitting the age where he should be showing significant signs of improvement or progression given the training and experience he's getting, but instead we've seen regression.

If your only input to this discussion is ''gut feeling'' then it's pretty pointless to say.


On the subject of Cogliano, the guy brings energy to the game but sometimes it looks like that energy is wasted. He tries to do too much where I think with his speed and work ethic he could be better if he just kept it simple, I also wish he would become a lot better at face-offs (could be said about all of our centre's to be honest) as in my opinion if you're a 3rd line centre you should be very consistent on the draw. If he could improve to become a stud on the dot and become more of a meat and potatoes player I think he could be a great 3rd line centre, but still probably not worth quite what he makes, although realistically in todays NHL you're not going to sign him for too much less.

Note : For people commenting on Cogliano's 13 goals, I know he had 1 hat-trick last year and at least one two-goal game, for some reason I think 2 but I couldn't find it. Assuming he only had one 2 goal game and one hat-trick, that is only 10 games out of 82 where he scored, and he only had 13 assists as well.

I would like to trade Cogliano, but I honestly don't see us getting much for him unless it's in a package deal, so I think we're stuck with him for a while.

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07-04-2012, 06:37 PM
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I'm not trying to be a troll or even come off as rude, but I personally dislike statements like this, do you have any reasoning behind thinking McMillan might have a good season or are you just bolstering your post count? Have you done any research on the subject?

Last year he looked downright terrible at times, and although I've always been a fan of his I wasn't at all surprised when he was sent down, he's also hitting the age where he should be showing significant signs of improvement or progression given the training and experience he's getting, but instead we've seen regression.

If your only input to this discussion is ''gut feeling'' then it's pretty pointless to say.
Not trying, but you succeeded. And just between you and me, I think you were trying.

And McMillan just turned 22. He had a good rookie campaign and then slumped in his second season. I guess you've either never seen that before, or never seen a young player recover from a sophomore slump. Otherwise, you'd have understood why a gut feeling that McMillan is going to have a good year is a reasonable one.

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Cogliano's days as a centre are a thing of past. For the better of himself and a team I would add.


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