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07-02-2012, 09:27 PM
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I could see Bob Murray giving us Ryan for something of a discount. Seems like he's angling for a job in the Leafs braintrust after the Ducks go down the toilet when Getzlaf and Perry fly the coop anyway.

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How does that trade improve the Leafs? I don't get it.
I'm not convinced it does improve the leafs, to be honest.

I just think its the most we could realistically offer without hurting the leafs. But men who make a lot more money than myself are the ones to make these decisions (thank god)

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07-02-2012, 09:44 PM
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LOL @ the number of people posting here to discredit Shannon's sources.

Tell us YOUR sources and we'll compare.

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07-02-2012, 10:13 PM
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Can't see us blowing assets for a player who plays a position that we actually have a decent amount of depth on. Ryan is going to cost a lot. Are people comfortable with giving up a 1st, Kadri, and a roster player like Kulemin, for Ryan? It could very well take even more than that, throwing in somebody like Holzer or Colborne. It's too much and we're already logjammed at wing.

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07-02-2012, 10:14 PM
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Can't see us blowing assets for a player who plays a position that we actually have a decent amount of depth on. Ryan is going to cost a lot. Are people comfortable with giving up a 1st, Kadri, and a roster player like Kulemin, for Ryan? It could very well take even more than that, throwing in somebody like Holzer or Colborne. It's too much and we're already logjammed at wing.
no problem trading Kadri and Kulemin for Ryan. 1st is a no go because I think goal tending is going to impact our stadings. Not many people want Kuli with the year he had.

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07-02-2012, 10:16 PM
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I'm pretty sure our interest in Bobby Ryan evaporated when Randy Carlyle became coach. And vice versa.

But I'd love to get him and would pay a significant price. Sure would solidify our top six.

Lupul--------------Bozak---------Kessel
van Riemsdyk---Grabovski-----Ryan

That would look pretty good to me.

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07-02-2012, 10:27 PM
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I could see Bob Murray giving us Ryan for something of a discount. Seems like he's angling for a job in the Leafs braintrust after the Ducks go down the toilet when Getzlaf and Perry fly the coop anyway.
Murray already was made to look like an idiot when he refused to sign Beauchemin and let him walk as a UFA over money, only to trade for him back a year later and tossed in Jake Gardiner in order to dump Lupul's contract.

The loss of Gardiner in trade also ended up costing him Schultz as without that trade they might have had both on their defense this year.

Unless your assessment is correct that Murray is purposely trying to grease Burke's wheels in hopes of future employment (highly unlikely), than any trades between Leafs based on past history making him look foolish already, should make him sceptical to deal with the Leafs further, without trying to equal the score in the process. Essentially the asking price for Ryan from the Leafs should be higher than other teams simply to trying to balance out the previous move.

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07-02-2012, 10:32 PM
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I know a lot of people are high on Holzer, but where do people see his upside realistically, are we talking top pairing defenseman or what? Kind of gotten mixed reviews thus far.
always kinda took him as a bottom pairing D.

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LOL @ the number of people posting here to discredit Shannon's sources.

Tell us YOUR sources and we'll compare.
So you are putting money on this speculation?

We can find lots of speculation on players.

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LOL @ the number of people posting here to discredit Shannon's sources.

Tell us YOUR sources and we'll compare.
He wasn't quoting any sources, he was basing his statement on assumption and speculation, just like us.

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Dont see how Ryan helps us.

I mean if you can get him for something weak, then okay. But if we have to give up a real asset, I dont see the point. We need centres, a goalie, and some D who can actually play D.

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Dont see how Ryan helps us.

I mean if you can get him for something weak, then okay. But if we have to give up a real asset, I dont see the point. We need centres, a goalie, and some D who can actually play D.
Soon the top 6 will be all american.

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Unless your assessment is correct that Murray is purposely trying to grease Burke's wheels in hopes of future employment (highly unlikely), than any trades between Leafs based on past history making him look foolish already, should make him sceptical to deal with the Leafs further, without trying to equal the score in the process. Essentially the asking price for Ryan from the Leafs should be higher than other teams simply to trying to balance out the previous move.
Using that logic you can say why do the Leafs keep making trades with the Bruins. Now I do know that the Rask for Raycroft was done by JFJ, however knowing what we know today it's a deal any Leafs fans would like to have back. Then there is the Kessel trade which wasn't bad based on Kessel's goal production, it just sucks that the Bruins eneded up getting Seguin 2nd overall and won the Stanley Cup the next season. Plus we still haven't seen Jared Knight and Doug Hamilton play yet in the NHL. Although some might argue the Leafs won the Kaberle trade because in return they got Joe Colborne, Tyler Biggs and John-Michael Liles.

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07-02-2012, 11:10 PM
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So you are putting money on this speculation?

We can find lots of speculation on players.
put money on?

i haven't followed shannon for that long, but is he supposed to win me money here on HF Beardz? why would i doubt him though? he can't just announce something like this without the license to do so from sportsnet.

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07-03-2012, 01:22 AM
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I thought bobby hated carlyle..

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I thought bobby hated carlyle..
Lupul hated Carlyle too IIRC. I think these hate-relationships between players and coaching staffs are blown out of proportion. If the Leafs were to acquire him I'm sure the hate would be water under the bridge. If it isn't, can Carlyle.

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07-03-2012, 02:40 AM
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Ryan is also pretty tight with Lupul. None of that matters though since he doesn't have a ntc


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Lupul hated Carlyle too IIRC. I think these hate-relationships between players and coaching staffs are blown out of proportion. If the Leafs were to acquire him I'm sure the hate would be water under the bridge. If it isn't, can Carlyle.
Coaches are supposed to challenge their players. Carlyle isn't Hitchcock in that sense.

I think it's clear a lot of the Leafs players didn't like Wilson either.

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07-03-2012, 08:41 AM
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Can't see us blowing assets for a player who plays a position that we actually have a decent amount of depth on. Ryan is going to cost a lot. Are people comfortable with giving up a 1st, Kadri, and a roster player like Kulemin, for Ryan? It could very well take even more than that, throwing in somebody like Holzer or Colborne. It's too much and we're already logjammed at wing.
i agree that wing isnt our most pressing need at the same time you need to take the pieces as they become available. we have nothing in our system with the upside of ryan. he is young, on the up, and locked up on a reasonable contract. i also think that having great wingers might interest a potential center to want to come to toronto one day?


either way you slice it, if our top 6 looks like the following we are in pretty good shape.

ryan bozak kessel
jvr grabs lupul


all of our in between type of players dont have the upside of ryan so i dont see why anyone would have a problem moving any of them. they also are likely not exciting enough to motivate a team to move a number 1 center for them so why not move them for a number 1 winger?

kadri, colborne, ashton, holzer, kulemin, mac, etc,etc they would all have a hard time cracking our top 6 if it looked like the one posted above. it would give us 4 proper top 6 wingers. these players also would struggle in a bottom 6 type situation so really its not a huge loss.

really, the only asset i wouldnt want to move is our 1st but burke might value kadri or colborne over our 1st who knows with that guy lol

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07-03-2012, 08:46 AM
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I thought bobby hated carlyle..
Didn't everyone in Toronto think RW is gonna hate Burke before we hired him ?

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he can't just announce something like this without the license to do so from sportsnet.
lol why not?

What do you even mean by license? Permission to say it on-air by the program director or whomever? I don't buy that.

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I thought bobby hated carlyle..
Yet he still wants out of Anaheim despite Carlyle being fired. Obviously there's something more to it.

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Soon the top 6 will be all american.
Burkies just doing it to peeve Grapes off

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I'm pretty sure our interest in Bobby Ryan evaporated when Randy Carlyle became coach. And vice versa.

But I'd love to get him and would pay a significant price. Sure would solidify our top six.

Lupul--------------Bozak---------Kessel
van Riemsdyk---Grabovski-----Ryan
That would look pretty good to me.
If JVR plays up to his potential.....this line would be really fun to watch.

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Yet he still wants out of Anaheim despite Carlyle being fired. Obviously there's something more to it.
Coaches don't make trades...management does.

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