While I certainly understand that Parise has every right to take his time, I don't think I've seen so much angst over a move. He hasn't even talked to his fiance yet? Good grief bud. Don't ever be responsible for anything truly important.
While I don't have much hope that teams will get as desperate for Nash as Howson seems to hope they will, I would like to see some closure to this mess. Either we march forward with our captain, or we turn the page and move on. I don't want a full season of Nash distractions and speculation.
I think for Parise he's torn for multiple reasons. Loyalty to the Devils, his current teammates and Lou Lamoriello. Loyalty for Minnesota where he was born and raised, and then played for Shattuck St. Mary's. Maybe he wants to play for a storied franchise like Chicago, Pittsburgh, or Detroit. I don't know his rationale, but rarely do we find professional athletes that make decisions based on something other than money. I'm anxious only because his choice *should* grease the wheels for the Nash trade. I'm glad he's using his head and taking his time instead of seeing who can throw the most cash at him.
You guys are kidding right? It has only been two days with a lot to digest. If it drags on two weeks I would agree but a couple of days for a decision that will impact their life tremendously seems reasonable to me. Home? Where you just spent 7 years? Pittsburgh? Detroit? Money versus the Cup? Good team now versus potentially better team down the road? and probably more.
I suppose that could be true if he only found out about free agency when the period began at noon on Sunday, but the rest of us have been aware of his options for months. Perhaps he's not paying his agent enough if he's that unprepared for this?
If this is a deal built around a roster forward like Dubinsky/Hagelin plus a couple of average prospects (JT Miller, Thomas, McIllrath) I will crap myself.
At least find a team (like Ottawa) with some high end prospects if you are going down this road (Zbad, Lehner, Nooessen, Pumpel, etc).
Demand is a strong word. He may be asking or suggesting, but to give him some credit at least he hasn't shut the door on the Rangers or had them shut it on us. To date he hasn't made a stupid deal, which at least gives the hope the final deal will be acceptable.
I suppose that could be true if he only found out about free agency when the period began at noon on Sunday, but the rest of us have been aware of his options for months. Perhaps he's not paying his agent enough if he's that unprepared for this?
I agree he should have been aware of most of his options, but maybe, just maybe, trying to win the Stanley Cup was a bit distracting? I dunno. Just saying.
Demand is a strong word. He may be asking or suggesting, but to give him some credit at least he hasn't shut the door on the Rangers or had them shut it on us. To date he hasn't made a stupid deal, which at least gives the hope the final deal will be acceptable.
Assuming the information is true ....
We've seen a lot of contradictory reports from various media folks, sometimes the same people.
Never forget -- all these "sources" have motive. Every thing needs to be viewed with a skeptical eye.
Demand is a strong word. He may be asking or suggesting, but to give him some credit at least he hasn't shut the door on the Rangers or had them shut it on us. To date he hasn't made a stupid deal, which at least gives the hope the final deal will be acceptable.
I think you're on it. Maybe he's not demanding anything. He's letting the teams propose their best deals.
I'm glad he's using his head and taking his time instead of seeing who can throw the most cash at him.
You seem to be implying that almost two days of evaluation of the data isn't enough. According to him he hasn't talked to his own fiance yet. Frankly, I've seen glaciers move quicker.
It really isn't that hard to sit back, talk about it, and make a decision. Franky as an upcoming FA of his caliber, you should have already had your top 3 or 4 destinations in mind before the day even hit. I would already have talked about it with my family and already had their opinions. Should have just been simple analysis and been decided pretty quick.
I agree he should have been aware of most of his options, but maybe, just maybe, trying to win the Stanley Cup was a bit distracting? I dunno. Just saying.
Not buying that, EK, not a bit. His indecision may be due to the importance of the choices, but I won't believe it's because he's been either too busy to consider them or that he was unaware of his options. He's free to dither and draw it out as long as he pleases, but it should not have been necessary. There are surely details that were not available until the period officially opened, but the overall framework he is seeking should have been put in place by his advisors long ago.
Not buying that, EK, not a bit. His indecision may be due to the importance of the choices, but I won't believe it's because he's been either too busy to consider them or that he was unaware of his options. He's free to dither and draw it out as long as he pleases, but it should not have been necessary. There are surely details that were not available until the period officially opened, but the overall framework he is seeking should have been put in place by his advisors long ago.
I'm sympathetic because it seems like he's probably come down to his real home vs. his professional home. No doubt there is a lot of emotions there.
That said, as others have pointed out, his options and their offers have hardly been secret. It isn't like this thought process just started two days ago.
If this is a deal built around a roster forward like Dubinsky/Hagelin plus a couple of average prospects (JT Miller, Thomas, McIllrath) I will crap myself.
At least find a team (like Ottawa) with some high end prospects if you are going down this road (Zbad, Lehner, Nooessen, Pumpel, etc).
Unreal....
Three-team deal? It would allow for the best of all worlds, without the need to expand the list. One ends up on a "listed" team, and various pieces from other side deals end up in Columbus and in other areas.
A long time ago he said he would trade Rick Nash if someone made an offer he couldn't refuse. It's July 3rd, plenty of time.
eBay has a limit of three times using the "best offer" feature...it's assumed that if you haven't reached a deal by then, that you're not serious about actually buying the item.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but a 3 team deal could be something more valuable. Maybe Edmonton could be involved or even Ottawa? Maybe Carolina? find a team on his "list" - we'll stick with the Rangers - and maybe MDZ is part of the deal who is flipped to Edmonton for Eberle (That's for you Viqsi). Maybe Carolina with their young defense is involved? Columbus needs forwards - that much is true - but they could come from a 3rd party to the deal or in a separate deal after nash moves.
Three-team deal? It would allow for the best of all worlds, without the need to expand the list. One ends up on a "listed" team, and various pieces from other side deals end up in Columbus and in other areas.
Sorry for the multiple posts but one last comment from me....
I'm a little dismayed at the position of the Nash camp at this point. Not saying Howson hasn't done anything wrong, etc. but when Nash spoke with the media after the news broke it was that he's do whatever he could to help the team. I get the feeling that it's not about the team at all but about him and a desire for a specific location. I'm not blaming him for wanting out but it appears he's using his NTC leverage and saying screw you CBJ brass. (incidently, that's what I told Garrioch after his comments on twitter earlier and he blocked me. sissy pants!)
Foote was traded for a pretty good return, then looked like a human turnstile for the rest of his career. That was entirely expected. And I fully expect that there would have been riots if it were later discovered that a 1st- and 4th-rounder had been offered and not accepted.
(Foote had an injury, it happens, but...)
You are missing my point.
Why is it that the only guys we can't seem to get rid of are Steve Mason and Scott Howson?
Why is it that the only guys we can't seem to get rid of are Steve Mason and Scott Howson?
No, I get the point. The point is that the franchise history is littered with missed opportunities; there's plenty of blame to go around.
What would have happened if the four worst drafts in team history didn't come in the first five years of the franchise? What would have happened if Ron Tugnutt would have been kept around? What would have happened if the goal in the expansion draft was to focus on size and strength (which was vital at that time) rather than speed (which was being punished at the time)?
However, there's a point where the mistakes of the past grind to a halt, and a brighter future dawns. Very rarely is that actually an obvious watershed moment...more often, it's a minor trade, a coaching change, a team meeting, or something like that. Even the greats have horrible lapses of judgment, or end up in unfavorable situations that tarnish their legacy. Few people remember Scotty Bowman bumbling around Buffalo, or are aware of Leo Durocher nearly losing the clubhouse very early in his managerial tenure, or some of Lou Lamoriello's blunders that may well have prevented a 15-year dynasty.
What else would we be interested in? Dubinsky, MDZ, and a bunch of maybes?
