Several posts in this thread have downplayed the magnitude of what happened. If criticism is deserved, criticize.
There's a difference between downplaying the magnitude and saying "I have no ****ing clue what the magnitude is because I'm not privy to the details of the situation, only what comes out in a press that in Buffalo can be described as anything but unbiased and impartial."
Interesting to note in that video the interviewer asked Roy about his injuries, and after Roy explained what injuries nagged him last season he went on to say "but now I'm completely healthy."
edit: re-watched it and said "... I had a rough year, but now I'm healthy" guess I just added the 'completely' part in my head.
There's a difference between downplaying the magnitude and saying "I have no ****ing clue what the magnitude is because I'm not privy to the details of the situation, only what comes out in a press that in Buffalo can be described as anything but unbiased and impartial."
Sullivan's way off base, but the fact remains one of the most prominent players on the team was handcuffed for a substantial period by undiagnosed injuries. That's not really up for debate, unless there's some compelling argument yet to arise.
Seeing as I know nothing about medical science, I tend not to criticize doctors.
hmmm, does that make you as "dumb as a cuccumber" with regards to the medical arts?
kidding
But seriously folks, I am in this camp as well, and if Doctor Google directs me to kittens playing badmitten, then that is what I'm going to perscribe for you.
You guys are gonna love Ott, gonna miss him dearly but I love the trade. It was time for a change for us.
Oh and in case you haven't seen this yet, thought I'd share it with ya'll. It was just tweeted moments ago
This whole scenerio his a little ironic to me, with regards to Roy's supposed shoulder injury. Because when I look at this photo of Mr. Ott I can't help but think that his shoulder looks like it gets popped in and out of it's socket like 100 times a year!
Sullivan's way off base, but the fact remains one of the most prominent players on the team was handcuffed for a substantial period by undiagnosed injuries. That's not really up for debate, unless there's some compelling argument yet to arise.
Oh really?
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Mike Heika @MikeHeika
On Roy surgery, he had shoulder pain last season and played through it. Planned to do same this season. Stars felt now the time to fix it.
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Stars GM said Roy could have played through it, but ``we want the best Derek Roy we can get.''
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The Sabres knew about it. Roy wanted to play through it because it would have meant he would miss another season which would have really hurt his value and hurt the team considering how much time he had missed the season beforehand.
The Sabres knew about it. Roy wanted to play through it because it would have meant he would miss another season which would have really hurt his value and hurt the team considering how much time he had missed the season beforehand.
Pay attention to the thread if you're going to argue. We've been referring to Connolly.
FSE, regardless of what you know about medicine, you never looked at the player. You have no idea how the injury manifested itself. You have no idea what tests the doctor performed or how she reached her diagnosis. I'm not going to name-call you anything, but it's simply impossible for you to legitimately judge the doctor's professional competence without any of that knowledge. Half a degree in sports medicine notwithstanding.
You can have hunches, maybe, but that's about it. You can "E4" Sabres doctors are incompetent, I guess.
The guy plays through injury all season long, yet all you here from our fan base is how soft and how much of a quitter the guy is. Makes a lot of people look pretty stupid.
The guy plays through injury all season long, yet all you here from our fan base is how soft and how much of a quitter the guy is. Makes a lot of people look pretty stupid.
I personally don't think there are very many truly 'soft' players in the NHL, and in this regard I wouldn't consider Roy one of them. I don't think that's what most people mean when they criticize Roy, though.
The guy plays through injury all season long, yet all you here from our fan base is how soft and how much of a quitter the guy is. Makes a lot of people look pretty stupid.
FSE, regardless of what you know about medicine, you never looked at the player. You have no idea how the injury manifested itself. You have no idea what tests the doctor performed or how she reached her diagnosis. I'm not going to name-call you anything, but it's simply impossible for you to legitimately judge the doctor's professional competence without any of that knowledge. Half a degree in sports medicine notwithstanding.
Think of this as taking your car to a mechanic, for lack of a better analogy. You know it's had a problem in the past, and it's acting up again.
You take the car in to the mechanic and after the trip it still exhibits problems. You end up taking the car back to the same mechanic after a couple of months. He repairs your car, and in the end tells you that there were underlying problems ever since your first visit. Problems that were not fixed after he claimed he solved the problem.
In what fashion is this acceptable service? Either the proper analysis wasn't done or the execution was faulty.
At the end of the day, it was the mechanic's job to fix your car, and instead he let you drive it around ****ed up for months.
Think of this as taking your car to a mechanic, for lack of a better analogy. You know it's had a problem in the past, and it's acting up again.
You take the car in to the mechanic and after the trip it still exhibits problems. You end up taking the car back to the same mechanic after a couple of months. He repairs your car, and in the end tells you that there were underlying problems ever since your first visit. Problems that were not fixed after he claimed he solved the problem.
In what fashion is this acceptable service? Either the proper analysis wasn't done or the execution was faulty.
At the end of the day, it was the mechanic's job to fix your car, and instead he let you drive it around ****ed up for months.
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It was your choice to drive it around for months **** ed up.
Unlike a car....with the human body sometimes it takes weeks or months to determine if the body is responding to a certain treatment .. When they realize it's not you look for another cause of the problem ... some things can't be determined overnight.
Besides...the overall point is you are questioning the competence of the Sabres Doctors based on one case out of hundreds if not thousands of instances ... Seems nitpicky to me.
It was your choice to drive it around for months **** ed up.
Unlike a car....with the human body sometimes it takes weeks or months to determine if the body is responding to a certain treatment .. When they realize it's not you look for another cause of the problem ... some things can't be determined overnight.
Once again, we're not arguing the same issue. The MS either incorrectly identified the root causes of a condition or failed to search for them in the first place. Either way, the root causes were missed and ignored for months. Saying that they can't determine it overnight is far too generous seeing as they could have properly assessed the contributing factors for months previous.
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Besides...the overall point is you are questioning the competence of the Sabres Doctors based on one case out of hundreds if not thousands of instances ... Seems nitpicky to me.
If you'll review, this derail started when I indicated that the MS handled Connolly's case poorly. That's all.
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We know exactly how the car and all its parts work...it's completely human engineered.
We don't know that about the human body...especially the brain.
It's the best analogy I could come up with at the time, though I don't feel your objection (while accurate) is relevant to my point.
Once again, we're not arguing the same issue. The MS either incorrectly identified the root causes of a condition or failed to search for them in the first place. Either way, the root causes were missed and ignored for months. Saying that they can't determine it overnight is far too generous seeing as they could have properly assessed the contributing factors for months previous.
If you'll review, this derail started when I indicated that the MS handled Connolly's case poorly. That's all.
No ... this is what you stated...
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I mean, Sabres doctors are pretty questionable of late.
And again... you assume they were missed or ignored instead of taking into consideration that it turned into a process of elimination.
Keep looking. JJ asks why. I'll let you do the legwork.
Exactly. He asked why and you cited Tim's issues as to why they are "questionable" That's one instance out of thousands... Even the NAVY SEALS fail from time to time.
I found footage of two new members joining the Sabres medical staff.
The last line makes the entire scene .
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Exactly. He asked why and you cited Tim's issues as to why they are "questionable" That's one instance out of thousands... Even the NAVY SEALS fail from time to time.
There's a difference between crashing a humvee and assassinating the wrong fellow, though. It's all about scale. And in this case I'd say they were pretty poor indeed.
Think of this as taking your car to a mechanic, for lack of a better analogy. You know it's had a problem in the past, and it's acting up again.
You take the car in to the mechanic and after the trip it still exhibits problems. You end up taking the car back to the same mechanic after a couple of months. He repairs your car, and in the end tells you that there were underlying problems ever since your first visit. Problems that were not fixed after he claimed he solved the problem.
In what fashion is this acceptable service? Either the proper analysis wasn't done or the execution was faulty.
At the end of the day, it was the mechanic's job to fix your car, and instead he let you drive it around ****ed up for months.
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If you're saying a human body (particularly anything to do with brain science) is comparable in terms of diagnosis to a car, then I can start to see why you didn't finish that medicine degree.
If you're saying a human body (particularly anything to do with brain science) is comparable in terms of diagnosis to a car, then I can start to see why you didn't finish that medicine degree.
I'd say something snarky, but you're not worth the effort. Read further up the page.
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