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07-11-2012, 03:58 PM
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Per Heika: Roy had shoulder pain last season and played through it. Planned to do same this season. Stars felt now the time to fix it.
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Heika: Stars GM said Roy could have played through it, but ``we want the best Derek Roy we can get.''
There's the story! GMJN not being 100% truthful. Way to go Joe, way to go.


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07-11-2012, 03:59 PM
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I'm pretty sure they won't reverse the trade. Either Buffalo would have to add something we'd agree to or they'd forfeit pick(s) to us in the next draft. I can't see any way in the world Ott returns to Dallas or Roy goes back to Buffalo.

I wasn't a huge fan of this trade because I wanted something more permanent coming back besides a rental of Roy. His injury has not improved the value. Those who question JN's trading ability have yet another thing to point to that questions Joe's competence as a GM of this team.
Let's wait until we find out what happened...

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There's the story! GMJN not being 100% truthful. Way to go Joe, way to go.
I guess the injury is bad enough that they feel like the best derek roy they can get is one who misses all of training camp and a month of the regular season. It seems to be guys who do that are really behind the 8 ball for a good portion of the season. I would not be at all surprised to see Roy struggle greatly with chemistry with his linemates for quite awhile.

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07-11-2012, 04:14 PM
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Heika: He was cleared medically and this was discovered in a full physical in Dallas. Had surgery in Dallas.
This is the part I don't get.

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07-11-2012, 04:26 PM
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07-11-2012, 04:41 PM
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This is the part I don't get.
The physicals they take during trades are not perfect. If he has full range of motion and plenty of strength, he's going to be in good enough shape to get traded.

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07-11-2012, 04:56 PM
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07-11-2012, 04:59 PM
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"We want the most valuable Derek Roy in February"

That's how I read it.

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07-11-2012, 05:02 PM
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Awesome. Just traded for a player who came off injury, and now he has another one. We won't see the real Roy until next season. Slow starts MURDER morale.

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07-11-2012, 05:11 PM
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Awesome. Just traded for a player who came off injury, and now he has another one. We won't see the real Roy until next season. Slow starts MURDER morale.
He only has one year left on his contract so Dallas may never see the real Roy. At the same time I'd rather have a slow start then to have a late season meltdown due to injuries and a lack of leadership and motivation.

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07-11-2012, 05:16 PM
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He only has one year left on his contract so Dallas may never see the real Roy. At the same time I'd rather have a slow start then to have a late season meltdown due to injuries and a lack of leadership and motivation.
I think this is the first step to an extension like Sturm said. Roy will be around for quite a while, and he'll eventually move down to the 3rd line when Faksa is ready.

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07-11-2012, 05:18 PM
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Brandon Worley over at dbd just speculated that the Stars are expecting a late start to the season. My hate for the union and owners will be incredibly high if that actually happens.

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07-11-2012, 05:23 PM
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This sucks but I think the Stars took the right approach. I'd much rather Roy be hitting his stride in Jan rather than wearing down during the playoff push late in the season because he's been playing in pain all season.

Plus there's a good chance the league locks out the first few months in which case this move makes sense. How stupid would it be to have him play through the injury all season, only to have it lockout until Dec. This was the smart move.

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07-11-2012, 05:28 PM
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I'd agree as well that this seems to indicate they view Roy as a long term asset, one they want to extend. This makes more sense under this lens.

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07-11-2012, 05:41 PM
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I'm going to be pissed if both sides are dumb and we have another lockout. There's no reason this negotiation should be that hard.

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07-11-2012, 06:13 PM
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better to catch it now than in training camp.

50 games of Derek Roy at his full ability is worth 3 season of Steve Ott and Adam Pardy. I wouldn't lose sleep over it boys.

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07-11-2012, 06:26 PM
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Shoulder surgeries are tough , I assume no rebuild. This looks and smells bad. I actually had backed off the GMJN hate this offseason because the plan seemed pretty well executed but I think this is piss poor. Ott had value. We reduced it by adding Pardy and then take an injured guy. Why did we not just take Raymond and a second.....

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Why did we not just take Raymond and a second.....
Because that's a worse trade.

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07-11-2012, 06:56 PM
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Let's back off the "this trade sucks" wagon until we see how he. performs in Jan, plus if hes with us on 13 or not

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07-11-2012, 07:11 PM
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DBD keeps attaching the word 'valuable' to Ott... It's really annoying.

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Let's back off the "this trade sucks" wagon until we see how he. performs in Jan, plus if hes with us on 13 or not
That's been my stance all along. Let's see where we stand further in the season, you can't judge anything right now.

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07-11-2012, 08:34 PM
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Because that's a worse trade.
Dude anybody that has been around the main trade board knows that is a joke proposal.

For the Newy apologists though, Meuller sign one year at less than 2. Ott was perhaps your best trade asset. You devalue him by adding Pardy and then you take hurt guy on a one year deal to solve? a short term problem. Hey I have backed off on Newy hoping that with some money we had turned a corner and maybe he learned something like Jon Daniels did but no way is this a good deal now. Its just not.. Mueller for less than you blew on Pardy-if you were going to take an injury risk that one does not cost you a fan favorite and big trade chip

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07-11-2012, 08:46 PM
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Dude anybody that has been around the main trade board knows that is a joke proposal.

For the Newy apologists though, Meuller sign one year at less than 2. Ott was perhaps your best trade asset. You devalue him by adding Pardy and then you take hurt guy on a one year deal to solve? a short term problem. Hey I have backed off on Newy hoping that with some money we had turned a corner and maybe he learned something like Jon Daniels did but no way is this a good deal now. Its just not.. Mueller for less than you blew on Pardy-if you were going to take an injury risk that one does not cost you a fan favorite and big trade chip
You were bound to freak out about it eventually, you always do.

And yes, I've been around the trade boards and that IS a joke of a proposal. It's sometimes hard for me to tell what an ultimate Stars contrarian considers a joke rather than what I would just consider a stupid opinion. My apologies.

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07-11-2012, 08:49 PM
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Losing a month of a player doesn't make this a bad trade. We all know trading Ott was as much about leadership culture change as it was anything on the ice. I find it hilarious that half of fans think Ott's overpaid but are peeved we got a player back with only one year left on the contract. That's what happens when you are obtaining the significantly better hockey player and when the other guy is slightly overpaid.

And who gives a **** on Pardy "devaluing Ott." It's not as if we were going to get a more talented player back from some other team. And we got rid of Pardy to boot. Win-win.

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07-11-2012, 09:05 PM
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While the fact that Roy is going to miss time is unfortunate, in some ways this news makes the trade even better. Here's a legitimate reason why Roy's production dropped. If the issue is fixed by the surgery then we have a very good player on our hands acquired for a 3rd liner and 7th/8th defenseman.

How could anyone blame the Stars or Joe on this one? You want to blame them for having high standards for their players' health?

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