I think Miller wins a spot if thats the case.
Yogan is first call up for bottom minutes.
Bourque first call up for 3rd line wing replacement.
Thomas first call up for wing minutes if they need a scoring touch.
Mccolgan goes back to juniors
Do you think any of those guys would be called up before guys like Kris Newbery...
Andrew Yogan has been an injuries wreck for over a year now...let him get his game back and play at the pro level.
Ryan Bourque scored 6 goals in the AHL last year
Christian Thomas is probably the closest of the four you mentioned but his production dipped way off last year...he needs more time at the pro level
Shane McColgan...I agree...needs to actually play some pro hockey
I mean I'm not trying to be a dick man but did you watch the team last year? How many times did we need skill and got a guy like John Mitchell or Kris Newbery instead? To all of a sudden throw Yogan and Bourque and guys that aren't ready out there is nuts.
I've been a rabid hockey fan for 25+ years, Ranger's season ticket holder, went to Boston College and follow the AHL quite seriously as I live in Fairfield County, CT.
Even if they lose Prust, Fedotenko, Eminger, Mitchell that's fine. They are not big parts of the team. Prust meant the most but he wanted 2.5 per which is nuts.
They got in Asham to play 4th line minutes, Haley to be a spare or AHL depth.
The UFA list stinks so even if they dont do a thing they are just as good as last yr.
Now I dont think Sather will sit around. I expect either to sign Semin or too see a deal. So lets see what happens as there is plenty of time till the season starts
I feel fine about the off-season so far. The pickings have been slim, and what has been available hasn't come cheap. There's plenty of time before the season to make a move or two, and then plenty of time during the season to round the team into form.
Remember, we'll have Kreider for the whole season...and you have to expect another 7 goals from Dubi. That's 20+ more goals than we had last year, when we were only 22 goals outside of being a top 5 offense. Yes, Gabby is out to start the season...but assuming he's back around December I think we're in decent shape. That said, if we can make a trade for a 30 goal scorer I think we'll be in great shape.
4th liners are overrated and I don't really care that much about guys who will be playing minimal minutes each night anyway. Get the top 9 to score and have the goons kick ass and take names.
I think a lot of us Ranger fans have fallen into our yearly "Offseason Hysteria".
Everyone seems to be on agreement that we need to add a top six forward, but people only seem to be interested in adding a TOP Line, 30 goal Scorer.
Lets leave that talk to the other threads, if you were the GM which 15 - 20 Goal Scorer would you inquire about to add to our second line?
Mine would be Devin Setoguchi, he is coming off a down year, and should they sign parisie would probably be interested in getting rid of some cap room.
I would Imagine that they would be interested in adding an NHL ready defense man like Erixon to their lineup.
Erixon + Thomas + 2nd For Setoguchi, not sure if this would be under payment, but also keep in mind they are getting Cap relief as well
for example, if the Rangers go into next year as is, but the Pens add Parise, the Flyers add 1 of Ryan or Nash, and the other goes out west to the Sharks...then the Rangers, while not taking a step back, have definitely lost ground to the rest of the atlantic...you could easily see them falling to 3rd in the division in that scenario.
but, if the Rangers get say nash and semin, the pens get nobody, the flyers get nobody, and the devils lose parise..then the Rangers just got a whole lot better especially with the pens losing Staal.
The fact that we did not overspend for the mediocre talent out there means, to me, we are a better team now and in a few seasons, will be in better shape as it pertains to the cap. We made our major move last year withe Richards. I am not at all upset with this off season.
Sure, they'll all push for a spot. But realistically are any of them going to be ready to make the team out of camp? Seems like a bit of a long shot to me.
With the way Kreider played in the playoffs I don't think it's a longshot... I think Miller and Yogan has the best chance to make the team...do the Rangers envision Yogan as a Cody McLeod type 3rd 4th line or a Ryan Malone 2ed 3rd line power forward
With the way Kreider played in the playoffs I don't think it's a longshot... I think Miller and Yogan has the best chance to make the team...do the Rangers envision Yogan as a Cody McLeod type 3rd 4th line or a Ryan Malone 2ed 3rd line power forward
Kreider is a first round draft pick, all-world talent...those other guys just aren't. They aren't going to replicate what Kreider did in the playoffs.
Do you think any of those guys would be called up before guys like Kris Newbery...
Andrew Yogan has been an injuries wreck for over a year now...let him get his game back and play at the pro level.
Ryan Bourque scored 6 goals in the AHL last year
Christian Thomas is probably the closest of the four you mentioned but his production dipped way off last year...he needs more time at the pro level
Shane McColgan...I agree...needs to actually play some pro hockey
I mean I'm not trying to be a dick man but did you watch the team last year? How many times did we need skill and got a guy like John Mitchell or Kris Newbery instead? To all of a sudden throw Yogan and Bourque and guys that aren't ready out there is nuts.
dtrap i understand what youre saying but that was a year ago. Or rather a year has gone by. It was just development camp but you see the shot thomas has, the skill. Miller has gotten bigger, stronger. Bourque had a solid playoffs, it could translate into a better year in the AHL. Guys move up the depth chart as they develop. Yogan needs time in the A. These guys can surpass the mitchel's and newbury's out there.
take with grain of salt..i still feel this will cause someone to buy njd and move them to make money, since it appears impossible in nj, IF they resign Parise for the rumored amounts being offered to him
I think Miller wins a spot if thats the case.
Yogan is first call up for bottom minutes. Bourque first call up for 3rd line wing replacement.Thomas first call up for wing minutes if they need a scoring touch.
Mccolgan goes back to juniors
Uh, based on what? Based on how God-awful he was during the year save a few games?
Wellman is easily the call-up before him. This team will have massive, massive problems if it means Bourque is getting called up. Half the team would have to be bed ridden or something.
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Kreider is a first round draft pick, all-world talent...those other guys just aren't. They aren't going to replicate what Kreider did in the playoffs.
To be fair, youre not expecting them to be Kreider. Miller and Thomas are different players. Miller plays a different game and position. Kid is stronger. I think he has a very real chance. I think Clarke and staff want miller to make the rangers so that he doesnt go back to juniors. Once they have him committed they can send him to CT if he needs work.
Yes and no. EJ's offense never evolved and, while he's a nice player, MDZ is probably worth more in terms of money.
His offense has been very disappointing, actually. I had high hopes for EJ on that side of the puck. Figured around 40 points in his prime. That knee injury hurt him a lot.
And, FWIW, MDZ was a hell of a lot better defensively during the regular season than he has been at any time prior to this season. It's amazing how much MDZ's defense improved. I think he was simply worn out come playoff time.
I'd take MDZ over EJ right now and probably still in the future. And this is coming from a HUGE EJ fan.
The Avs team's offense in general was a big disappointment except for Landeskog and O'Reilly. Duchene sucked and Stastny didn't break 60 pts when he is capable of being a constant 70 pt. player. I'd say for the circumstances, EJ was alright offensively, remember his team is 25th in GF/G. But determining value of d-men doesn't tell the whole story and EJ led his weak defense corps consisting of Matt Hunwick, Shane O'Brien and other unknowns to a 15 GA/G ranking. He is pretty good defensively and still has major upside to his game. even more than MDZ. If we swapped EJ for MDZ, we become a much better team and this is coming from a MDZ fanboy and not a big fan of EJ.
All the youth forwards who are now 'vets' better step it up. Kreider and Hagelin came through last year. Miller is knocking on the door. Fasth, Lindberg, and Thomas in the pipeline.
I love how our system will pressure these guys at the NHL level.
Uh, based on what? Based on how God-awful he was during the year save a few games?
Wellman is easily the call-up before him. This team will have massive, massive problems if it means Bourque is getting called up. Half the team would have to be bed ridden or something.
I forgot wellman and agree he is by far ahead. I have a gut feeling bourque will be better this year in the ahl.
The fact that we did not overspend for the mediocre talent out there means, to me, we are a better team now and in a few seasons, will be in better shape as it pertains to the cap. We made our major move last year withe Richards. I am not at all upset with this off season.
THIS!
Worst case scenario the Rangers do nothing and they open spots for the kids and one of them breaks out. Or two. Either way I really believe in building from within. Signing everyone else's mediocre free agents is almost always a mistake. Man I am praying against that Nash trade not because of the player but because of the cap hit. I do not think Semin fits a Tortorella team. Both Parise and Suter want way way more than they are worth and we cannot afford to lose our own players because we are capped out in the future. The only guy I would want at this point is Bobby Ryan.
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