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Luongo XVIII - SamJam Never Lies (MOD WARNING IN OP)
If the Leafs continue to miss the playoffs the following are more than possible: Burke gets fired and Kessel walks in 2014. I wonder where the Leafs will be then? Well, at least they'll still have Gardiner.
And this is what makes me laugh about the whole thing. The leafs act as if he is the second coming of Ray Bourque. He's a great yound Dman but is no franchise Dman. Roberto Luongo would have a much greater impact on the team for the next 5 years then Gardiner would ever have. Plus Luongo gives the team some credibility to where they may actually be a place people want to play. A franchise goalie changes the teams identity for the better in ever aspect.
And this is what makes me laugh about the whole thing. The leafs act as if he is the second coming of Ray Bourque. He's a great yound Dman but is no franchise Dman. Roberto Luongo would have a much greater impact on the team for the next 5 years then Gardiner would ever have. Plus Luongo gives the team some credibility to where they may actually be a place people want to play. A franchise goalie changes the teams identity for the better in ever aspect.
Yes. They want value without giving up value. In other words, they are hoping to rip the Canucks off. Of course, we both know that isn't going to happen.
Too much for Luongo . He a very good reg season goalie , but can not deal with the pressures of the playoffs . Yes he went to the finals on a very good Nucks team , I think just about any goalie in the NHL could have taken that Nucks team to the Finals . He will get you to the playoffs and therefore bring in extra cash for TML , but going out in 4 games is not what your GM is about .
I do not know the Value of Lou . A very good goalie , with a long contract and can not handle pressure . I guess his value is what someone is willing to pay . As an Oiler fan i would not give much at all .
I think you need to double check how bad the Canucks offense was in the 2011 playoffs. It was shockingly bad outside of the SJ series. And even in that series Luongo had to come up huge for us to win.
Luongo was our 2011 playoff MVP.
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I think you need to double check how bad the Canucks offense was in the 2011 playoffs. It was shockingly bad outside of the SJ series. And even in that series Luongo had to come up huge for us to win.
Luongo was our 2011 playoff MVP.
I'll save him the time and let him know we were the 14th best offence in the playoffs.
And this is what makes me laugh about the whole thing. The leafs act as if he is the second coming of Ray Bourque. He's a great yound Dman but is no franchise Dman. Roberto Luongo would have a much greater impact on the team for the next 5 years then Gardiner would ever have. Plus Luongo gives the team some credibility to where they may actually be a place people want to play. A franchise goalie changes the teams identity for the better in ever aspect.
Management doesn't make him out to be that. Not all fans do either (and I'm the guy a guy with a Gardiner avatar). To be honest I wouldn't surprised if he regressed a bit this season. The point is if Gillis is asking for him in a deal for Lu the deal will never happen with the Leafs.
Don't lump entire fanbases together just because of a few random people over evaluating players.
-If Van can't trade Luo they have x2 #1 goalies and continue to be one of the best team in the league.
-If Toronto doesn't acquire a #1 goalie they'll continue to sink, be one of the worst teams in the league, miss the playoffs and continue to set a record for a team missing the playoffs.
Who do you think needs this trade more? Arguments can be made from both sides but at the end of the day I'd rather over spend and have x2 goalies then to miss the playoffs and have 0
-If Van can't trade Luo they have x2 #1 goalies and continue to be one of the best team in the league.
-If Toronto doesn't acquire a #1 goalie they'll continue to sink, be one of the worst teams in the league, miss the playoffs and continue to set a record for a team missing the playoffs.
OTOH
Vancouver doesn't have much cap space and still needs to upgrade their 2nd line wing. Luongo is a great trading chip.
Toronto doesn't need to part with assets because they are rebuilding. Even if they suck they just end up with a great pick...which regardless of what Burke thinks is exactly what they need.
True, he doesn't. But I guarantee you with Luongo on your roster you have a much better chance then with Reimer and that other guy. I'm actually surprised that some Leafs fans are so concerned about Luo's contract. You guys had Belfour who played till he was 80 yrs old and he was the last good goalie you had and it was during his time in T.O that you last experienced success.
But nor Cujo or Beflour cost us our top prospects or 1st picks and neither of them had a ridiculous retirement contract like Luongo does, besides the Leafs had a overall better roster than they do today
And this is what makes me laugh about the whole thing. The leafs act as if he is the second coming of Ray Bourque. He's a great yound Dman but is no franchise Dman. Roberto Luongo would have a much greater impact on the team for the next 5 years then Gardiner would ever have. Plus Luongo gives the team some credibility to where they may actually be a place people want to play. A franchise goalie changes the teams identity for the better in ever aspect.
Why would the Leafs give up Gardiner when Burke can wait this out. There's 1 team they're competing with for Luongo.
Too much for Luongo . He a very good reg season goalie , but can not deal with the pressures of the playoffs . Yes he went to the finals on a very good Nucks team , I think just about any goalie in the NHL could have taken that Nucks team to the Finals . He will get you to the playoffs and therefore bring in extra cash for TML , but going out in 4 games is not what your GM is about .
I do not know the Value of Lou . A very good goalie , with a long contract and can not handle pressure . I guess his value is what someone is willing to pay . As an Oiler fan i would not give much at all .
Let me guess, you watched the highlights and not the actual games for the 2011 playoffs? Luongo one of if not the only player to show up for every series. Don't go talking about something you don't know.
Let me guess, you watched the highlights and not the actual games for the 2011 playoffs? Luongo one of if not the only player to show up for every series. Don't go talking about something you don't know.
I'm a big fan of Luongo, but he really stunk in games 6 and 7 of the final.
I understand where Leaf fans are coming from. It would be nice to be able to fill the two big holes, a number one center and staring goalie, without giving up assets. Unfortunately that's not likely to happen. I can understand why Leaf fans would prefer a younger goalie or one on a shorter contract but realistically those goalies are going to require you to largely gut your team assuming that such a goalie is even available. If you can get Luongo for a decent deal I'd think that Burke should be all over that.
Management doesn't make him out to be that. Not all fans do either (and I'm the guy a guy with a Gardiner avatar). To be honest I wouldn't surprised if he regressed a bit this season. The point is if Gillis is asking for him in a deal for Lu the deal will never happen with the Leafs.
Don't lump entire fanbases together just because of a few random people over evaluating players.
Fair enough. That does suck so I shouldn't do that. But wouldn't you like to see the Leafs be competitive again? Wouldn't you like to actually get excited about watching their games? Wouldn't you like to come on these forums every night and talk about how the Leafs are competing for the Divisional title and a playoff spot? Let me tell you from experience that it's a joy. I would easily trade a young Dman, mid level prospect and a mid level 1st round pick for a franchise goalie who would turn the corner for my franchise and give my team a chance. It's like the old poster. "Priceless"
Management doesn't make him out to be that. Not all fans do either (and I'm the guy a guy with a Gardiner avatar). To be honest I wouldn't surprised if he regressed a bit this season. The point is if Gillis is asking for him in a deal for Lu the deal will never happen with the Leafs.
Don't lump entire fanbases together just because of a few random people over evaluating players.
As someone who watched a fair amount of Leaf's games I wouldn't trade Gardiner. That's just filling one hole and creating another big one. Gardiner is the type of player you build your team around.
I'm a big fan of Luongo, but he really stunk in games 6 and 7 of the final.
And up until then, he was considered the front runner for the Conn Smythe if the Canucks won. He would probably still be put down even if the Canucks won anyway. It would have been something like, "the Canucks had the best season of any team in decades...Luongo benefited!". The guy gets no credit for the Gold either. He is one of the most discredited players I've ever seen.
Why would the Leafs give up Gardiner when Burke can wait this out. There's 1 team they're competing with for Luongo.
that is a dangerous freakn' game Burke is playing and if I were a fan of T.O I wouldn't like it. Lose out on Luo and you head into the season with James freak'n Reimer as your number 1 goalie? Good god man, wake me when it's over.
that is a dangerous freakn' game Burke is playing and if I were a fan of T.O I wouldn't like it. Lose out on Luo and you head into the season with James freak'n Reimer as your number 1 goalie? Good god man, wake me when it's over.
You don't hand over a James Gardiner when you don't have to.
Luongo got us to the finals people. He was our mvp, like other have said we had a historically low playoff offence and this ''backup'' ''overrated'' goalie as some call him was lights out for the majority of our cup run. He only had weak games when we were playing with about 5 healthy players, a torn apart defence, and lets face it the Bruins were big and strong and able to get to the net and get good chances.
Look at the entire playoff run and not just a few games. Without luongo we don't get to the finals.
You don't hand over a James Gardiner when you don't have to.
"hand over"? You're getting a franchise goalie back who immediate gives your team credibility and a chance at the playoffs. Has it really been that long? You forget what it feels like? It's almost worth seeing Luo go to FLA just so the arrogance of T.O can be taught a lesson.
I'm a big fan of Luongo, but he really stunk in games 6 and 7 of the final.
He wasn't great in game 6, game 7 is debatable. My point was that Luongo was our best player during that cup run. This coming from a fan who has been hard on him in the past. People who say he is mentally weak, can't preform in big games etc are out to lunch and do not watch him play on a regular basis.
There was so much pressure on Luongo and the Canucks in that series. Game 7 was probably the biggest game of his career. The Canucks went into that game knowing that if they lost after being up 3-0 that there would be big changes in the offseason. Burrows took a penalty in OT and the rest is history.
He wasn't great in game 6, game 7 is debatable. My point was that Luongo was our best player during that cup run. This coming from a fan who has been hard on him in the past. People who say he is mentally weak, can't preform in big games etc are out to lunch and do not watch him play on a regular basis.
There was so much pressure on Luongo and the Canucks in that series. Game 7 was probably the biggest game of his career. The Canucks went into that game knowing that if they lost after being up 3-0 that there would be big changes in the offseason. Burrows took a penalty in OT and the rest is history.
When we were up 2-0 in the finals the guys on tv were talking about how Luongo was our MVP and if we won it was all his.
