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07-03-2012, 09:21 PM
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Big no on Semin. The only Russian forward I'd consider is someone already drafted by the Hawks and that would be Shalunov with development in the AHL.

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cant be any worse then Sharp, I say give him a chance...
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Big no on Semin. The only Russian forward I'd consider is someone already drafted by the Hawks and that would be Shalunov with development in the AHL.
I'd consider Malkin...but only if the price was low

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Big no on Semin. The only Russian forward I'd consider is someone already drafted by the Hawks and that would be Shalunov with development in the AHL.
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They do not mix, never have, never will. ECSPECIALLY one with known attitude problems, like UWT has said.

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They do not mix, never have, never will. ECSPECIALLY one with known attitude problems, like UWT has said.
Zhamnov did just fine here...

He only took **** because he was traded for a guy the city loved; Roenick. Zhamnov performed very well as a Hawk, not saying Semin is the same player or character as Zhamnov, but we have done okay with some Russians....at least higher level ones...

Sergie Krivokrasov anyone???

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07-04-2012, 11:47 AM
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okay, now that this scenario is now happening, I say got get em Stan, we need some help, and if you went hard after signing both Suter and Parise, there is no reason why we cant push hard for Carle or Semin....

I dont want to hear about Semin and his character, the guy has issues just like Kane, but talent is talent, and motivate his ass to play in a hockey mad city like Chicago with a big Russian population...

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Sam gagne, johnathon bernier bobby Ryan ok Bowman make it happen

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Sam gagne, johnathon bernier bobby Ryan ok Bowman make it happen
who do we move for Gagne???

who do we move for Ryan??

who do we move for Bernier???

as much as I want center help, is Gagne and his small frame really ideal? I am sure Edmonton will be asking a lot for him, not sure hes worth it...but it would be interesting to entertain...

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It wasn't like going after Parise was just to add another top player to the core.. It's also highly about production and style of play. Adding another big deal going with another skilled man who has a big of reluctance to battle isn't going to solve their big issues.

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who do we move for Gagne???

who do we move for Ryan??

who do we move for Bernier???

as much as I want center help, is Gagne and his small frame really ideal? I am sure Edmonton will be asking a lot for him, not sure hes worth it...but it would be interesting to entertain...
Hammer for gagne they need D prolly take more than just that though

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Hammer for gagne they need D prolly take more than just that though
maybe, but it would likely be Hammer and a top prospect....and that is doubtful on the Oilers end...

we dont have enough to give for Ryan, it would cost too much of what we dont have ...young NHL ready players which is what the Ducks want..

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maybe, but it would likely be Hammer and a top prospect....and that is doubtful on the Oilers end...

we dont have enough to give for Ryan, it would cost too much of what we dont have ...young NHL ready players which is what the Ducks want..
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I'm getting the impression they both want a metric ton of cash.

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no chance for Bobby Ryan. Ducks want a #2 Center + for him.

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So trade them Kruger, he's OUR #2 center

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they want an actual #2 center...

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Zhamnov did just fine here...

He only took **** because he was traded for a guy the city loved; Roenick. Zhamnov performed very well as a Hawk, not saying Semin is the same player or character as Zhamnov, but we have done okay with some Russians....at least higher level ones...

Sergie Krivokrasov anyone???
I liked Krivo

He got flak because he was 1st round pick and people thought he would be more then he became

Fact is that Hawk fans saw everyone else hit jackpot with high quality Russians and figured Krivo would be same but his skillset was that of bottom 6 player not top 6 player

And I also enjoyed Kravchuk and Ulanov while they were with Hawks

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Look --KANE went MIA from mid-Nov to beginmning of March with his disintrested lazy play --yes Semin had only 54 pts each of the last 2 years BUT:

1. Last year WASH played a defense-first block shots style under Hunter--NOT SEMIN"s style at all...

2. 2 seasons ago he was 54 pts BUT only played 65 games --projected to 82 that would be 68 pts and of course we are satisfied paying Kane $6.3 million per for that output (not really but then if Kane at his best is 82-88 pts;Semin at his best is also 80+ pts and 35-40 goals)..

3. So If the price is right --ie. $5-5 .5 million per on a 4 yr deal I think SEMIN on the right team with the right support could give us 70-80 pts and 35-40 goals .. IF he did that the last 2 yrs in WASH nobody would question a team offeroing him Parise numbers in free agency...he could be a brgain...


4. SEMIN flaws: Not a leader;character flaws; doesn't elevate in playoffs--all true..BUT look at the Hawks shooting %'s and tellme we can't use his shot and sniping skill; he does also collect assists so he is not just a shooter...he has had very good seasons witnthe +/- before--why not again? DO not expect him to be a go to saviour numero uno "star" on the team-BUT as one of 5 forward stars in a top 6 -- what other NHL team has such talent as we do up front?

LET STAN and Q fix the D and goalie problems,but adding a 5th elite skilled talent to our top 4 forwards to make 5 is not a bad thing..it only makes it harder to defend us any given night --why?:


--because if Kane is "lazy" and off 40% of the time and id Semin is also -as long as they are not the same "off" in the same game-- you will get one producing when the other may be off..THIS is the very definition of depth of scoring.

Yes we had trouble preventing goals.This does not mean we can't score even more goals and win games that way..You can score the same ,cut goals against and win more--OR you can up your offense and stay the same in goals allowed and win more that way too..

THe 2 great concerns on Semin are him playing over 70 games
only 3 times over his 7 years in the NHL (indicating injury history issues) but he has been productive on a per game basis when he playes except for this past year under Hunter's defense-first block shots system (not using his attacking talents enough)..


In the right system with the right linemates he could shine again. Don't expect toghness or hitting and he must curb stupid undiciplined team hurting penalties...BUT if he can be coached up -if -having been cast off from his team he now realizes what it takles to stay and remain inthe nhl-if this matures him-if he gets in the right system with the right compliment of linemates --THEN he could flourish with all his talent ...that could be 75-90 pts and 35-40 goal talent...he could be a bargain who out produces the great Parise at a lot less price..

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Look --KANE went MIA from mid-Nov to beginmning of March with his disintrested lazy play --yes Semin had only 54 pts each of the last 2 years BUT:

1. Last year WASH played a defense-first block shots style under Hunter--NOT SEMIN"s style at all...

2. 2 seasons ago he was 54 pts BUT only played 65 games --projected to 82 that would be 68 pts and of course we are satisfied paying Kane $6.3 million per for that output (not really but then if Kane at his best is 82-88 pts;Semin at his best is also 80+ pts and 35-40 goals)..

3. So If the price is right --ie. $5-5 .5 million per on a 4 yr deal I think SEMIN on the right team with the right support could give us 70-80 pts and 35-40 goals .. IF he did that the last 2 yrs in WASH nobody would question a team offeroing him Parise numbers in free agency...he could be a brgain...


4. SEMIN flaws: Not a leader;character flaws; doesn't elevate in playoffs--all true..BUT look at the Hawks shooting %'s and tellme we can't use his shot and sniping skill; he does also collect assists so he is not just a shooter...he has had very good seasons witnthe +/- before--why not again? DO not expect him to be a go to saviour numero uno "star" on the team-BUT as one of 5 forward stars in a top 6 -- what other NHL team has such talent as we do up front?

LET STAN and Q fix the D and goalie problems,but adding a 5th elite skilled talent to our top 4 forwards to make 5 is not a bad thing..it only makes it harder to defend us any given night --why?:


--because if Kane is "lazy" and off 40% of the time and id Semin is also -as long as they are not the same "off" in the same game-- you will get one producing when the other may be off..THIS is the very definition of depth of scoring.

Yes we had trouble preventing goals.This does not mean we can't score even more goals and win games that way..You can score the same ,cut goals against and win more--OR you can up your offense and stay the same in goals allowed and win more that way too..

THe 2 great concerns on Semin are him playing over 70 games
only 3 times over his 7 years in the NHL (indicating injury history issues) but he has been productive on a per game basis when he playes except for this past year under Hunter's defense-first block shots system (not using his attacking talents enough)..


In the right system with the right linemates he could shine again. Don't expect toghness or hitting and he must curb stupid undiciplined team hurting penalties...BUT if he can be coached up -if -having been cast off from his team he now realizes what it takles to stay and remain inthe nhl-if this matures him-if he gets in the right system with the right compliment of linemates --THEN he could flourish with all his talent ...that could be 75-90 pts and 35-40 goal talent...he could be a bargain who out produces the great Parise at a lot less price..

dare I say that fitty has my back in this!!!!

wow, this is a great post, never thought I would say this...

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thinking about it a bit more, Semin makes a lot of sense. Don't have to give up assets to get him, makes our team better and DET won't get him for sure. Guy knows how to score and is great on the PP. His D is not bad or awful. He just needs to get motivated - can Q do it?

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Serious question.. If Alex Semin wasn't Russian and say maybe his name was Eric Bailey, would more people be on board?

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I'm fine with bringing Semin on board for a year or two but I don't think he's looking for that kind of contract.

And honestly I don't even think Bowman will reach out to him. Has there been any word as to whether Semin is actually on his radar or is everyone just assuming since he's one of the best FAs still available?

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Serious question.. If Alex Semin wasn't Russian and say maybe his name was Eric Bailey, would more people be on board?
the problem is the effort he shows - better said not shows.

I doubt he would come to us without any russian player on our roster. I expect him to go to the Devils or Wings

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