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07-03-2012, 01:47 AM
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Nazem Kadri vs. Bobby Ryan and Grabovski

Bobby Ryan(18.25 yrs old) drafted 2005 and didn't make it full time until 2008. 3 years later.
Nazem Kadri(18.75 yrs old) drafted 2009 and didn't make it full time until 2012. 3 years later.

Bobby Ryan
2005-06
OHL 59GP 31-64-95pts

2006-07
OHL 63GP 43-59-102pts
AHL 8GP 3-6-9pts

2007-08
AHL 48GP 21-28-49pts
NHL 23GP 5-5-10pts

2008-09
AHL 14GP 9-10-19pts
NHL 64GP 31-26-57pts

Nazem Kadri
2009-10
OHL 56GP 35-58-93pts
NHL 1GP 0-0-0pts

2010-11
AHL 44GP 17-24-41pts
NHL 29GP 3-9-12pts

2011-12
AHL 48GP 18-22-40pts
NHL 21GP 5-2-7pts


2012-13
???
???

Big year for Kadri this year imo! I have a suspicious feeling he breaks out!

Kadri aint going nowhere despite what "feelings" Leaf fans have! I think Burke knows what he is doing with Kadri, the same thing he did with Ryan, their paths have been similar. Classic impatience from Leaf fans waiting for prospects. Hope they don't do the same with Rielly.


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The thing that stands out most is their third year of development and how similar it went.

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How do you compare Bobby Ryan and Nazem Kadri with their playing styles? Nevermind the stats, but the way they play.. That's the biggest difference here..

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07-03-2012, 01:58 AM
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How do you compare Bobby Ryan and Nazem Kadri with their playing styles? Nevermind the stats, but the way they play.. That's the biggest difference here..
Actually, they play very similar styles.

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07-03-2012, 02:00 AM
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How do you compare Bobby Ryan and Nazem Kadri with their playing styles? Nevermind the stats, but the way they play.. That's the biggest difference here..
Obviously Ryan is bigger, thats not the point. Kadri has been able to match up to Ryan's development thus far.

All Im saying is for some of you who have given up on him to give him a chance. People have already traded/written him off...

He finds a way to produce, and I think he will continue that.

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never seen this comparison before

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Obviously Ryan is bigger, thats not the point. Kadri has been able to match up to Ryan's development thus far.

All Im saying is for some of you who have given up on him to give him a chance. People have already traded/written him off...

He finds a way to produce, and I think he will continue that.
Fantastic thread, good work on finding the numbers.. I don't know why so many Leaf fans don't think he will amount to much and are actually rooting against Kadri... He's the highest ranked prospect Leafs have had in years... Murray the GM in Ottawa who also drafted Ryan and Getzlaf in the same year, really wanted Kadri at the draft but Burke said no... Murray is as good a talent evaluator as any in the NHL so that alone says something.. Kadri has allot of talent and skill, good hands, good vision, beautiful hard tape to tape passes, his size hasn't been an issue he's a fierce competitor and doesn't back down from a big hit, plays with an edge and some attitude, what's not to like? It takes time to become NHL ready unless your Nugent Hopkins level, and he's been brought along perfectly despite all the "fans" impatience, Burke has remained steadfast in what he wants to do with Nazem, they sent him down a few times and told him what he needs to work on and to his credit he's done all of that, he's ready, hungry, and this will be his breakout year. You notice that when analysts talk of trade rumors Kadri is never mentioned, and there is never any mention of him being brought up in trade speculation either when guys like Dregger and MacKenzie talk? It's all the fans who throw his name around trade rumors and scenarios, Burkes never wanted to deal him... Some fans say he's a bust but then go right ahead and say he's the key piece to getting a guy like Nash, doesn't make sense. This thread shows how patience will pay off when Nazem gives you exactly what you're getting in Ryan without giving up more assets and future first round picks.


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07-03-2012, 02:31 AM
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Bobby Ryan(18.25 yrs old) drafted 2005 and didn't make it full time until 2008. 3 years later.
Nazem Kadri(18.75 yrs old) drafted 2009 and didn't make it full time until 2012. 3 years later.

Bobby Ryan
2005-06
OHL 59GP 31-64-95pts

2006-07
OHL 63GP 43-59-102pts
AHL 8GP 3-6-9pts

2007-08
AHL 48GP 21-28-49pts
NHL 23GP 5-5-10pts

2008-09
AHL 14GP 9-10-19pts
NHL 64GP 31-26-57pts

Nazem Kadri
2009-10
OHL 56GP 35-58-93pts
NHL 1GP 0-0-0pts

2010-11
AHL 44GP 17-24-41pts
NHL 29GP 3-9-12pts

2011-12
AHL 48GP 18-22-40pts
NHL 21GP 5-2-7pts


2012-13
???
???

Big year for Kadri this year imo! I have a suspicious feeling he breaks out!

Kadri aint going nowhere despite what "feelings" Leaf fans have! I think Burke knows what he is doing with Kadri, the same thing he did with Ryan, their paths have been similar. Classic impatience from Leaf fans waiting for prospects. Hope they don't do the same with Rielly.
3rd year of Development

Ryan
AHL - 1.35ppg
NHL - 0.89ppg

Kadri
AHL - 0.83ppg
NHL - 0.33ppg(small sample size)

I see one guy as being clearly better. And that's why he was taken 2nd overall.

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3rd year of Development

Ryan
AHL - 1.35ppg
NHL - 0.89ppg

Kadri
AHL - 0.83ppg
NHL - 0.33ppg(small sample size)

I see one guy as being clearly better. And that's why he was taken 2nd overall.
That was Ryan's fourth year, not his third. Both of them look quite similar in their 3rd year of development.

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3rd year of Development

Ryan
AHL - 1.35ppg
NHL - 0.89ppg

Kadri
AHL - 0.83ppg
NHL - 0.33ppg(small sample size)

I see one guy as being clearly better. And that's why he was taken 2nd overall.
LOL, Ryan's 3rd year of devlopment was 2007-08, not 2008-09(that was his 4th year). Next time plan your condescending posts out better.

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Alright let's try that again

Ryan
2007-08
AHL - 1.02ppg
NHL - 0.43ppg

Kadri
AHL - 0.83ppg
NHL - 0.33ppg(small sample size)

Still a decent sized difference there. Apologies for sounding condescending I like Kadri a lot, but I think Ryan is at a different level. Hopefully Kadri can reach that level one day.

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Alright let's try that again

Ryan
2007-08
AHL - 1.02ppg
NHL - 0.43ppg

Kadri
AHL - 0.83ppg
NHL - 0.33ppg(small sample size)

Still a decent sized difference there. Apologies for sounding condescending I like Kadri a lot, but I think Ryan is at a different level. Hopefully Kadri can reach that level one day.
Not really when you are comparing 40+ games and 20+ games. Its not like its 1000 games we are looking at points-per-game.

People need to get over Ryan being a high and mighty player. He is a top line player(great for any team) that can get you 65 points. Thats all he has proven at the NHL level.

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Not really when you are comparing 40+ games and 20+ games. Its not like its 1000 games we are looking at points-per-game.

People need to get over Ryan being a high and mighty player. He is a top line player(great for any team) that can get you 65 points. Thats all he has proven at the NHL level.
Scoring 30 goals consistently in the NHL without a lot of PP time isn't easy at all.

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Scoring 30 goals consistently in the NHL without a lot of PP time isn't easy at all.
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I'm probably the biggest Nazem Kadri fanboy alive and even I think it's ridiculous to compare Bobby Ryan to Kadri. As was said above, Ryan is a top line player who can get you 30 goals and 65 points every season. And he's still young and only going to get better. Until Kadri plays a full season, or a few full seasons, and we can gauge what kind of production we can annually expect from him, anyone with half a brain takes Bobby Ryan over Nazem Kadri and there shouldn't be a moment's hesitation.

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I'm probably the biggest Nazem Kadri fanboy alive and even I think it's ridiculous to compare Bobby Ryan to Kadri. As was said above, Ryan is a top line player who can get you 30 goals and 65 points every season. And he's still young and only going to get better. Until Kadri plays a full season, or a few full seasons, and we can gauge what kind of production we can annually expect from him, anyone with half a brain takes Bobby Ryan over Nazem Kadri and there shouldn't be a moment's hesitation.
Thats fine if you are comparing what they will do in the NHL. All this post is saying is that their development path is similar, so there is no sense in giving up on him yet. Not even close to giving up on him.

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Thats fine if you are comparing what they will do in the NHL. All this post is saying is that their development path is similar, so there is no sense in giving up on him yet. Not even close to giving up on him.
No, I understand. Like I said, I've been a Kadri fan from the beginning. I love the pick at #7 and it was made all the sweeter by the fact that Burke seemed to rub it in Murray's face. I've said for the last two years I think Kadri should have been on this team (more so last year) and I think this is the year where he will (and certainly should) be in a Leafs uniform from beginning to end.

Additionally (and I could end up with a lot of egg on my face) I think Kadri will end up being ultimately the better player between himself and Bobby Ryan.

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I hate it when people use a single player as comparison and say SEE look! Player X WILL turn out because that guy did.

Ryan was a bit of a late bloomer. Have I written off Kadri? No, but if the kid doesn't learn to play a solid team game, complete with smart plays and playing defense, he won't succeed at the NHL level.

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Scoring 30 goals consistently in the NHL without a lot of PP time isn't easy at all.

I take it you watch a lot of ducks? :sarcasm

Ryan has averaged more then 2minutes a night on the PP every year he's been in the league. No he doesn't get double shifted on the PP like Getz & Perry, but hey, he's not Getz nor Perry.

FWIW I also wonder why/how people say he'll get you 30g65pts on any team every year - he's playing with Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry for the majority of his toi - good luck finding a superior 2 players to have as line mates. Generalizing his production away from them seems like a leap to me.

I really like Ryan, and believe he is a very good player - but he's not to be confused with the do-it-alone goal scorers a la Iggy, Parise Kovalchuk, Nash, etc.

I like the idea of getting Ryan, because he's very skilled, young, big and it sounds like they need to deal him, so maybe even cheap.

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Interesting comparison. my only thought however is how whiney this board would have been if we took a second overall pick who needed four years to develop.

"Ryans a bust! Fire Burke"

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It's a comparison of development paths, not actual player comparison.

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Not really when you are comparing 40+ games and 20+ games. Its not like its 1000 games we are looking at points-per-game.

People need to get over Ryan being a high and mighty player. He is a top line player(great for any team) that can get you 65 points. Thats all he has proven at the NHL level.
So now we can't compare them because of a small sample size? Then why was this post even written?

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Interesting comparison. my only thought however is how whiney this board would have been if we took a second overall pick who needed four years to develop.

"Ryans a bust! Fire Burke"
So very, very true.

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big difference here is Kadri doesn't have Getzlaf feeding him the puck and Perry burying his passes.

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So now we can't compare them because of a small sample size? Then why was this post even written?
Lol, people really need to start reading the entire thread before responding. Not once did he say you can't compare them, he said the difference was not as large as the previous poster made it out to be.

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