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07-03-2012, 11:54 AM
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This is Kadri as listed by the NHL before the 2009 draft

http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospect....htm?dpid=5375

6'0" 167 lbs

So apparently he lost 2 lbs since then? It is much more likely that he gained the 21 lbs that puts him at his current weight (6'0" 188 lbs)

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8475172

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07-03-2012, 11:55 AM
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I'm talking about Nazem Kadri?
You responded to a post with all kinds of Lucic in it. Next time be more clear instead of trying to be a clown.

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07-03-2012, 11:56 AM
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This is Kadri as listed by the NHL before the 2009 draft

http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospect....htm?dpid=5375

6'0" 167 lbs

So apparently he lost 2 lbs since then? It is much more likely that he gained the 21 lbs that puts him at his current weight (6'0" 188 lbs)

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8475172
You would know Ralph. You are amazing. And everything on the internet is correct. Just don't know what to think when both numbers are different but both are right.

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07-03-2012, 11:59 AM
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You would know Ralph. You are amazing. And everything on the internet is correct. Just don't know what to think when both numbers are different but both are right.
More like you are being difficult.

the first number was before he was drafted

the second is his current weight

You claimed he is 165 pounds

The NHL weighed him before he was drafted (and they would have no reason to inflate his weight) and he was 167 pounds

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07-03-2012, 12:02 PM
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Is it that big a deal? Burke sure doesn't care, he drafted and invited the Rupert twins to camp because he likes the way they play despite their size.

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07-03-2012, 12:02 PM
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You would know. Ever wonder how he looks so big standing next to guys like Komisarik that are 230?
Yep... clearly 270...






Quick comparo.. Chara has 5 inches on Lucic and only weights 260..

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07-03-2012, 12:02 PM
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You responded to a post with all kinds of Lucic in it. Next time be more clear instead of trying to be a clown.
You brought up Lucic. This entire thing started because you and I had a discussion about Kadri's weight.

Try staying on-topic and there won't be any confusion in the future.

Clowns, circuses... I'm seeing a theme develop.

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07-03-2012, 12:03 PM
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I have faith Kadri will come into camp and earn his spot. Remember last preseason, the line of Bozak, Army, and Kadri were one of our better lines. Sure it was only pre season, but its better than nothing.

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07-03-2012, 12:03 PM
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More like you are being difficult.

the first number was before he was drafted

the second is his current weight

You claimed he is 165 pounds

The NHL weighed him before he was drafted (and they would have no reason to inflate his weight) and he was 167 pounds
But how is Lucic listed at two different heights and weights? How does Komisarik magically appear smaller but he's listed at 243?

Most of all I heard it from an NHL'er. That's what Jay said and I'll believe him. He's a big boy himself and he said Lucic is a monster. I asked him why the weights listed were off and he said they are all off.

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07-03-2012, 12:10 PM
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Actually, I also saw Kadri about a year ago, and I'm CERTAIN he is at least 220 today. Trust me, I have assumed the weight of many people before.

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07-03-2012, 12:24 PM
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But how is Lucic listed at two different heights and weights? How does Komisarik magically appear smaller but he's listed at 243?

Most of all I heard it from an NHL'er. That's what Jay said and I'll believe him. He's a big boy himself and he said Lucic is a monster. I asked him why the weights listed were off and he said they are all off.
We should default to the Jay and Birddog Scale of Perceived Weight instead of taking the NHL at its word.

Clearly, the premise of weights changing from year-to-year has escaped you. Teams do yearly weighings, for your information. And I'd venture a guess that some websites/TV crews don't find it especially pertinent to have the most up-to-date weights. They have more important things to focus on.

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07-03-2012, 12:28 PM
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Actually, I also saw Kadri about a year ago, and I'm CERTAIN he is at least 220 today. Trust me, I have assumed the weight of many people before.
I saw Kadri at a game and he must have been 6'3 230 pounds. He was standing next to Nathan Gerbe though, so it's possible he looked bigger than he actually is.

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07-03-2012, 12:54 PM
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Lol...

There is 0% chance that Kadri is 160 pounds.

There is 0% chance that Lucic is 270 pounds.

And no, it is 100% impossible to accurately guess or compare weight like that. Muscle weighs more than fat, and especially in a sport where it is more lean muscle and not players bulking up in one specific area, it can be very deceptive.



No, NHL records of weight are not always completely accurate (and are tested at different times in slightly different situations), but nobody has Kadri listed that small. The combine is very accurate, and he was bigger then for gods sake. With a person who has a job that is essentially putting on muscle right now, and at an age where he is still growing, he is not going to shrink in weight and height.

Also, I have seen Kadri in person too, this year. He is not 160 pounds. Not even close.

Also, his weight means zip, nada, zilch. Players can excel at pretty much any size and weight these days, and even be feisty, like Kadri is.

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To keep on topic, It would very good to see Kadri make some sort of leap this season. Unfortunately we probably won't be getting a #1 centre through trade, so it's someone we already have that will play between Kessel and Lupul. (assuming Carlyle even keeps them together) that means Kadri, Colborne have a chance to prove they belong there this fall.

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I've seen a lot of NHL'ers in person. Domi I've met numerous times. He's 5'8" max not 5'10" as he was always listed. Gilmour as well. Jeff Beukeboom is huge. Mario is 6'6" -- have a picture with him. Keith Katchuk isn't tall -- 5'10" tops but has legs like tree trunks. I've met Clark, Cujo, Corson, etc. etc. They all have kids that play minor hockey. If you are involved in the game you'll see them.

Couple years ago Paul Coffey was coaching against Tkachuk and Dallas Drake was opening the door on the bench.

Believe what you want to believe. I've seen Kadri and he has a slight build like a teen-ager. He may have bulked up in the last year or so since I saw him but at the time he was listed at 185 and he wasn't.

Gilmour I would give 165 when he was playing. Small guy. But he was listed bigger.

That said if the kids around here are going to pop off with rude remarks -- they'll get it right back.
This guy is at least 100% right about Kadri - if you see him in person he's tiny. I would even say 180 is pushing it - he's noticeably skinny. I don't think he's ready for the NHL, and I highly doubt he will be an NHL regular this season.

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trade one for the other.

this article makes a great argument.
http://*******************/articles/...-for-the-leafs

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I saw Kadri at a game and he must have been 6'3 230 pounds. He was standing next to Nathan Gerbe though, so it's possible he looked bigger than he actually is.
i met him. i am 5'8, 120lbs. -- and single --

and he looked like he is 6'0, 180lbs. he didn't even look like an athlete.

i'm not saying he's too small to play. but he is definitely not 6'3, 230lbs. he looks like my brother.

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Exactly, but more contracts need to be shed:

Top-6ers: Kessel, Lupul, Grabo, JVR
Tweeners: MacA, Kulemin, Bozak, Frattin, Connolly, Lombardi, Kadri
Bottom-6ers: Komarov, Brown, Steckel, McClement

That's 15 forwards vying for 12 spots.

Ideally Connolly and Lombardi get the boot. MacA could also be traded to free up winger space. Frattin may not be ready for the start of the season so Kadri should be able to slide in on the second/third line (depending on position).
14 spots

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14 spots
Honestly? You're going to get technical about that?

On any given night we're going to dress 12 forwards.

Fine, I'll rephrase: We have too many forwards competing for top-9 positions. Something has to give.

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To keep on topic, It would very good to see Kadri make some sort of leap this season. Unfortunately we probably won't be getting a #1 centre through trade, so it's someone we already have that will play between Kessel and Lupul. (assuming Carlyle even keeps them together) that means Kadri, Colborne have a chance to prove they belong there this fall.
I have high hopes for both, if we don't try them this year at the NHL level, with both having 2 years of minors. When do we try them? The future is with these young guys. Not Grabo, Connolly, or Lombardi. Let's put them in the lineup and see what they can do. Miring them in the minors for another year is not the answer, hopefully they will both earn a look and solve our Center problems. If guys like Henriques or Landeskog can do it, there is no reason why a couple of 22 year old high picks cannot.

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Mike Ribeiro is perhaps the best comparison, not only for production but size and playing style as well. They almost identically mirror each other.

Ribeiro:
(Age 19) - NHL: 19GP-1G-1A-2P, AHL: 3P-0A-0G-0P
(Age 20) - NHL: 2GP-0G-0A-0P, AHL: 74GP-26G-40A-66P
(Age 21) - NHL: 43GP-8G-10A-18P, AHL: 23GP-9G-14A-23P
(Age 22) - NHL: 52GP-5G-12A-17P, AHL: 3GP-0G-1A-1P
(Age 23) - NHL: 81GP-20G-45A-65P

Kadri:
(Age 19) - NHL: 1GP-0G-0A-0P
(Age 20) - NHL: 29GP-3G-9A-12P, AHL: 44GP-17G-24A-41P
(Age 21) - NHL: 21GP-5G-2A-7P, AHL: 48GP-18G-22A-40P

Another way to look at this:

NHL points-per-game (Age 19-21):
Ribeiro: 0.313 in 64GP
Kadri: 0.373 in 51GP

AHL points-per-game (Age 19-21):
Ribeiro: 0.890 in 100GP
Kadri: 0.880 in 92GP
I find Kadri and Ribeiro as very similar players, and I'm glad you brought these stats forward. I think that he needs Good linemates to produce though. If he was on a line with JVR and Grabo I would realistically expect 45 points. And I really don't think that highly of him..

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i like to compare kadri's development path to kyle turris, they also are similar in size and playing style.

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Honestly? You're going to get technical about that?

On any given night we're going to dress 12 forwards.

Fine, I'll rephrase: We have too many forwards competing for top-9 positions. Something has to give.
I can only see MacA getting traded to be honest. We'll probably just ride out Connolly and Lombardi's contracts.

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Honestly? You're going to get technical about that?

On any given night we're going to dress 12 forwards.

Fine, I'll rephrase: We have too many forwards competing for top-9 positions. Something has to give.
you need capable NHL players as Healthy Scratches incase you need to shake up the lineup or get hurt. to many people think we only should have 12 forwards when we will be going with 13-14.

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you need capable NHL players as Healthy Scratches incase you need to shake up the lineup or get hurt. to many people think we only should have 12 forwards when we will be going with 13-14.
My point is that our abundance of top-9 forwards will likely prevent one of our best forward prospects from taking the next step in his development. These extra spots can be filled with depth replacements from the minors (Colborne, Ashton, etc) as the need arises. Kadri has earned the chance to prove himself as an NHL player and be given a regular spot, instead of being relegated to the minors because of contract standing, politics and seniority. I feel, and he likely feels, that he hasn't been given a fair shake because of these things.

I really don't know how else to explain this to you. I'm not interested in battling about semantics anymore. If you want to discuss what's best for the Leafs/Kadri then by all means go ahead. Otherwise you're just being nit-picky.

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