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Orange County Nights: The Ballad of Grumpy Bobby [All Bobby Ryan discussion | Part V]
As a hab fan, I personnally don't want any part with Bobby Ryan, let alone with his character issues.
Also, Montreal is not a Bobby Ryan, good top 6 player but certainly not a franchise one far from it in fact, away of being a stanley cup contender. With the habs current situation (they are in a rebuilding process IMO), It makes no sense to trade assets like top prospects like Beaulieu, Tinordi, Leblanc, young proven NHLers like Eller and first round picks for him.
I honestly think the value of Krejci and Ryan are similar. Both are about the same age ( 26 and 25 ), both put up similar career and current PPG status, both are upper tier in what they do: Ryan with goal scoring and Krejci with playmaking. I guess it depends on what your team needs. Krejci would also improve Anaheim at the dot where they have been very weak at for a couple of years now. Krejci was 52 percent last year, which would be second to Koivu's 52.4.
Now, if the Ducks are looking to get a playmaker to play with Ryan and appease him into staying, what do Ducks fans think about this?
I honestly think the value of Krejci and Ryan are similar. Both are about the same age ( 26 and 25 ), both put up similar career and current PPG status, both are upper tier in what they do: Ryan with goal scoring and Krejci with playmaking. I guess it depends on what your team needs. Krejci would also improve Anaheim at the dot where they have been very weak at for a couple of years now. Krejci was 52 percent last year, which would be second to Koivu's 52.4.
Now, if the Ducks are looking to get a playmaker to play with Ryan and appease him into staying, what do Ducks fans think about this?
Krejci
for
DSP/Sbisa
Not sure if you're proposing Krejci for DSP AND Sbisa, or DSP OR Sbisa ?
Krejci for one guy doesn't seem enough value for Boston unless they are trying to shed salary, and the Ducks can't afford to move Sbisa. Kudos at least for proposing a deal that doesn't involve Ryan going the other way
If Boston was interested in something like DSP + 1st in 2013 for Krejci then I'd consider it. I like DSP but getting Krejci to play with Ryan solves our 2nd line issues and allows the Ducks to roll 3 scoring lines.
As a 22 yr old with 70 NHL games under his belt, is Luke Adam ready to step into a 2C role, or does he project out as a 3C? His faceoff win pct seems rather low also (44%); if he became our 2C, then certainly Getzlaf + Adam would be the worst FO tandem in the league
Not sure if you're proposing Krejci for DSP AND Sbisa, or DSP OR Sbisa ?
Krejci for one guy doesn't seem enough value for Boston unless they are trying to shed salary, and the Ducks can't afford to move Sbisa. Kudos at least for proposing a deal that doesn't involve Ryan going the other way
If Boston was interested in something like DSP + 1st in 2013 for Krejci then I'd consider it. I like DSP but getting Krejci to play with Ryan solves our 2nd line issues and allows the Ducks to roll 3 scoring lines.
It was both Sbisa and DSP.
Krejci has averaged 44 assists since his rookie year and he's never played full time with a goal scorer or shooter with the ability of Ryan. IMO they would make sweet music together.Krejci would be the solution to Anaheim's second line scoring and faceoff issues.
Krejci has averaged 44 assists since his rookie year and he's never played full time with a goal scorer or shooter with the ability of Ryan. IMO they would make sweet music together.Krejci would be the solution to Anaheim's second line scoring and faceoff issues.
We would be filling one hole at 2C and creating another one in our Top 4. I don't think we could entertain trading Sbisa at this point without figuring out how to replace him with a similar salary cap hit. I agree that Krejci would solve a lot of problems playing with Ryan instead of swapping with him.
As a 22 yr old with 70 NHL games under his belt, is Luke Adam ready to step into a 2C role, or does he project out as a 3C? His faceoff win pct seems rather low also (44%); if he became our 2C, then certainly Getzlaf + Adam would be the worst FO tandem in the league
Honest opinion as a Sabres fan? Adam is likely going to get converted to LW in his career. I don't see his future being at center. I'm assuming if the Ducks have talked with the Sabres they want the deal centered (pun alert!) around Tyler Ennis...young, supremely talented, switched to center and put up a point a game to end last season. He can step in, fill that 2C hole, and will only get better. Then again, I'm guessing Darcy Regier isn't too keen to move him.
I honestly think the value of Krejci and Ryan are similar. Both are about the same age ( 26 and 25 ), both put up similar career and current PPG status, both are upper tier in what they do: Ryan with goal scoring and Krejci with playmaking. I guess it depends on what your team needs. Krejci would also improve Anaheim at the dot where they have been very weak at for a couple of years now. Krejci was 52 percent last year, which would be second to Koivu's 52.4.
Now, if the Ducks are looking to get a playmaker to play with Ryan and appease him into staying, what do Ducks fans think about this?
Krejci
for
DSP/Sbisa
I wouldn't move DSP and Sbisa for Krejci but I would move one or the other in a deal for him. I would think Sbisa should almost be enough straight up considering his age, potential and contract status but the Ducks would have to add a bit to DSP to get anything done.
I wouldn't move DSP and Sbisa for Krejci but I would move one or the other in a deal for him. I would think Sbisa should almost be enough straight up considering his age, potential and contract status but the Ducks would have to add a bit to DSP to get anything done.
You have to give to get...no reason for Boston to touch a deal without both of them in it. This is a guy who led the playoffs in scoring in the cup year and is still fairly young.
You have to give to get...no reason for Boston to touch a deal without both of them in it. This is a guy who led the playoffs in scoring in the cup year and is still fairly young.
We've got plenty of other pieces to add to either one of them (preferably DSP), I just wouldn't include both in the same deal.
If I remember correctly, ANA is looking for a #2 center +? If so I think this is a good proposal..
To ANA: Zajac, Larsson, 2nd
To NJD: Bobby Ryan
Why ANA does it: They get the #2 center they are after, they get a young dman with a tonnn of potential, and a 2nd round pick just as a safety net in case they can't resign zajac.
Why NJD does it: They get their replacement for Parise who is signed for another few years and a beauty of a cap hit. They mitigate their ufa exposure by ridding of zajac who becomes a ufa next summer. Losing Larsson may be tough to cope with but the devils are very deep on D and are going to have to move someone anyway, might as well be for Bobby Ryan.
If I remember correctly, ANA is looking for a #2 center +? If so I think this is a good proposal..
To ANA: Zajac, Larsson, 2nd
To NJD: Bobby Ryan
Why ANA does it: They get the #2 center they are after, they get a young dman with a tonnn of potential, and a 2nd round pick just as a safety net in case they can't resign zajac.
Why NJD does it: They get their replacement for Parise who is signed for another few years and a beauty of a cap hit. They mitigate their ufa exposure by ridding of zajac who becomes a ufa next summer. Losing Larsson may be tough to cope with but the devils are very deep on D and are going to have to move someone anyway, might as well be for Bobby Ryan.
Thoughts?
This is an interesting proposal. I would feel comfortable if Bob atleast got to talk to Zajac to see if there was a snowball's chance in hell of him resigning.
Can Zajac play wing?
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Originally Posted by VeddarRants
I honestly think the value of Krejci and Ryan are similar. Both are about the same age ( 26 and 25 ), both put up similar career and current PPG status, both are upper tier in what they do: Ryan with goal scoring and Krejci with playmaking. I guess it depends on what your team needs. Krejci would also improve Anaheim at the dot where they have been very weak at for a couple of years now. Krejci was 52 percent last year, which would be second to Koivu's 52.4.
Now, if the Ducks are looking to get a playmaker to play with Ryan and appease him into staying, what do Ducks fans think about this?
Krejci
for
DSP/Sbisa
This really cannot happen until we see how this defense is going to work. I am tempted to say yes but if Souray and Allen suck then we will be left with one of the worst defenses in the NHL with no way out.
Tanks for the compliments.......since you're ssooooooooooo smart, why do you think Ryan (only long term contract) seems to be available???? Why not Getzlaf or Perrym their contract ends at the end of next season and they'll hit free agency....and they will cost a lot.....there's also new contracts for Lydman and Fowler.....again a lot of money!!
Anaheim only doing this so they can make sure to be able to keep and pay Perry and Getzlaf...probably Fowler too.......having 4 players for the price of Ryan will help them.....getting Plekanec (long term) at the same price won't help them at all!!!!!!
Next time please comment with some respect.....
Take some time to think about your proposal and then you will get respect. We dont even have a 2013 2nd. We dont need bottom pairing defenders. We dont need middling prospects.
Which means they already have a 27 player/8 team trade worked out for him already. One of the deal's prerequisites is that the Flyers have to include every 2nd round pick in perpetuity. The Flyers insisted on that provision.
But so help me, I do believe them when they say they're standing pat for now. Not sure why.
Add/subtract a few more picks one way or the other if you'd like.
Anaheim pros: Perry-Getzlaf-Nash, Olympic buddies and instantly best line in the NHL. Get rid of disgruntled Ryan; power move for GM sending the guy who complains to the gulag.
Cons: Huge price to pay for a guy with a contract like Nash.
Columbus pros: get rid of enormous headache. Huge return; Smith-Pelly could be a similar player to Nash in a few years; Ryan is a first-line impact player. Cons: potential for Carter-esque situation with Ryan.
Add/subtract a few more picks one way or the other if you'd like.
Anaheim pros: Perry-Getzlaf-Nash, Olympic buddies and instantly best line in the NHL. Get rid of disgruntled Ryan; power move for GM sending the guy who complains to the gulag.
Cons: Huge price to pay for a guy with a contract like Nash.
Columbus pros: get rid of enormous headache. Huge return; Smith-Pelly could be a similar player to Nash in a few years; Ryan is a first-line impact player. Cons: potential for Carter-esque situation with Ryan.
Anaheim shouldnt be giving Ryan straight up for Nash....
While I agree that Bobby Ryan is a very very good player, if you think you're getting our top center and our stud D-man prospect for him, you're dreaming Howson. Not a chance. We gave up less for Kovalchuk.
Tanks for the compliments.......since you're ssooooooooooo smart, why do you think Ryan (only long term contract) seems to be available???? Why not Getzlaf or Perrym their contract ends at the end of next season and they'll hit free agency....and they will cost a lot.....there's also new contracts for Lydman and Fowler.....again a lot of money!!
Anaheim only doing this so they can make sure to be able to keep and pay Perry and Getzlaf...probably Fowler too.......having 4 players for the price of Ryan will help them.....getting Plekanec (long term) at the same price won't help them at all!!!!!!
Next time please comment with some respect.....
Sorry fellow more than what he gave you, you ain't getting.
I mean, you could argue that Nash's contract is too high/long. But I think it's appropriate in the marketplace right now. He's making $900k less cap-hit than Crosby, $1.7m less than Ovechkin, just a few grand more than Parise and Suter. He's still the best power forward in the NHL even if he is on a terrible team. There's no reason to say Ryan at $5.1 is a better deal than Nash at $7.8, that's a complete misvaluation. Nash is a superstar, watch the Olympics or World Championships when he's not playing on the Blue Jackets.
