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[NJD] Bryce Salvador [3 year, $9.5M - $3.16M cap hit]

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07-03-2012, 12:37 PM
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Well now Devils have to move a D-man

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Tallinder is odd man out I think
Bye bye Larsson...

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07-03-2012, 12:41 PM
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Smart idea to lock up your playoff MVP before the Flyers swoop in and take him.

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07-03-2012, 12:46 PM
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Smart idea to lock up your playoff MVP before the Flyers swoop in and take him.
Brodeur?

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Brodeur?
Salvador was better IMO. Followed by Kovy then Brodeur.

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07-03-2012, 12:59 PM
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Salvador was better IMO. Followed by Kovy then Brodeur.
well i guess that's about as good as I'll get out of a ranger.

pretty sure we'd all have him as our conn smythe. And not all of us are blinded by love for him. he's annoyed me the past couple years, but he legitimately lead this team

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07-03-2012, 01:24 PM
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Right, but that also could backfire if the player deteriorates significantly. If Salvador is garbage entering year 3, he may just retire if he's leaving a million or two on the table (backloaded).. but leaving 4 million? Would probably just play it out..

Got to balance the player's wishes to have long term security and the team's wishes of not having players staying around just to collect a paycheck.
Since its a 35+ contract, the 3.16M cap hit remains no matter what, injury, retirement, etc. So even if his play goes down, atleast he can serve as a 7th D-men, instead of having a 3.16M cap hit for a retired player.

The only positive of front loading a 35+ contract is if you think you can then trade him to a cap floor team like the Islanders, who seem to be looking for players whose cap hit is high and salary is low, ex their trade for Lubomir Visnovsky at the draft.

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07-03-2012, 01:43 PM
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now this is a very sane contract for a dude who could've ended up getting way overpaid.

Good 2nd pairing stay at home d-man.

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07-03-2012, 02:02 PM
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New CBA will have an amnesty clause. Plus they may do away with the 35 and older clause. It hurts veteran players getting multi-year contracts.
Not gonna happen, because even having a new CBA, contracts are guaranteed.

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07-03-2012, 02:03 PM
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Does he really have 3 years in him though? Good money though.

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07-03-2012, 02:08 PM
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Inner ear concussion. Apparently very different.
Was that from the hit Carter laid on him in the previous year's playoffs?

I have thought Salvador was underrated for the past couple of years, but he really increased his value in the playoffs this year. I do not see him repeating that performance again.

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I was hoping Toronto would snag him now that Schenn is gone. He had a very solid season last year and is a very good signing with the given term/size.

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Will he be worth 3mil in his next contract year?

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07-03-2012, 02:28 PM
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I'm really surprised how little gm's are afraid of term for a 35+ contract. 3 years seems long to me.

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07-03-2012, 02:53 PM
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2nd highest +/- on the team with +9 in the playoffs and the highest in the regular season with +18. Bottom line: he's good defensively and we expect NOTHING from him offensively. Greene, Larsson, Zidlicky have that job.
+/- means absolutely nothing. At 5-on-5, with Salvador on the ice, N.J. goalies had a 0.935 save percentage this season (source).. Any player will put up a terrific +/- when they're getting Vezina-calibre goaltending behind them.

Despite getting Vezina-calibre goaltending behind him, Salvador was on the ice for 39 goals for, and 40 goals against at 5on5. His +/- is built almost entirely on shorthanded and empty-net goals.

If Salvador was good defensively, why did the Devils allow more shots per 60 minutes with him on the ice than any other defenseman? How about the worst relative Corsi of any NJ defenseman by a country mile? He wasn't even taking the tough minutes, with those going to Fayne and Greene.
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Lol WHAT!

First of all, he had a ridiculous playoffs. You're looking at a 6 game subsection of it whereas he had an amazing 18 games you decided to just leave out

And we didn't try to unload him at the deadline.. he was one of our most stable defensemen all year. Why would we unload him at the deadline when we had no other NHL defensemen to replace him with considering both Larsson and Tallinder were injured?

At least you're living up to your name..
Ridiculous playoffs in terms of points, perhaps, but he still got absolutely murdered at 5on5 in shots allowed. Last on the team in corsi Relative, again by a country mile, allowing the most shots against and generating the least shots for.

There's a reason that In Lou We Trust, the immediate reaction was:
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Per TSN's Darren Dreger, the New Jersey Devils have re-signed Bryce Salvador to a 3 year $9.5 Million deal ($3.16 M AAV). Unless a defenseman's getting moved, this makes absolutely no sense at all. The Devils have 6 D under contract (and RFA Mark Fayne, who's pretty much going to be re-signed). So right now, I present to you, a .gif of people facepalming at this move.
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go by those specific stats if you want... find me a single NJ fan that had a problem with him in the playoffs.

It's an extra year we could do without, but that's fine. This is a fine contract. I wouldn't say good, but not bad. He's a character guy, too.
How many goals for does "character" add to a team, or how many goals against does it prevent?

I don't really care if NJ fans have a problem with a particular player. The fact is the Devils just signed a bottom-pairing defenseman to a 3 year, 35+ contract at over $3m. He scored 9 points in the regular season and was torched defensively.








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The most surprising stat line has to come from Bryce Salvador. David Clarkson racking up nine assists comes close, but Salvador's numbers still boggle my mind to a degree. The defensive defenseman was a negative possession player in the Florida, New York, and Los Angeles series. He doesn't have much offensive skill at all. Yet, he not only got 30 shots on net (tied for eighth among all playoff defensemen) but also four goals and ten assists. That's right, Salvador scored four goals and got ten assists in the playoffs. Only Doughty had more points in the playoffs. And they weren't cheap points from Salvador, either. I couldn't tell you why or how, but I appreciated every one of them all the same. If only he was better in his own end, especially in the Kings series.
As good as his playoffs were, offensively, he's not going to reproduce that, and he's not nearly good enough in his own end to make half of what the AAV of his contract is. Good on him for being healthy but that's an awful contract. Not the end of the world.. $3m against a $70m cap isn't going to make or break the team... but for a team struggling financially and hoping to retain a bonafide star in Parise? Poor decision.

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07-03-2012, 03:11 PM
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Yea it's Brodeur's good work that Salvador had higher +/- in front of the same goaltender. ALL those shots taken and yet he has the higher +/-. I guess the only explanation is that Brodeur saw Salvador was on the ice and thought "Oh ****, better put my game face on because every other time I can afford to slack off"

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07-03-2012, 03:13 PM
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i didn't think we resign him just cause we already have alot defense men and we still need to resign parise

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Really? This is a guy Dev's fans would have given away a year or so ago. I'll take EJ's re-signing contract all day long. Gotta love July.

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07-03-2012, 06:28 PM
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Does he really have 3 years in him though? Good money though.
Probably not. I like Sal, but I didn't really want him back. This move doesn't seem wise short or long term.

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Was that from the hit Carter laid on him in the previous year's playoffs?
No, he sustained the concussion in the preseason before the 10-11 season.

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Good signing.

I have no problem with the terms.

Sal was a big part of the Devils PK that set an NHL regular season record.

He is well liked by his team mates and a leader.

Good signing.

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I don't like having Salvador till he's 39.

He had a good year but younger guys like Urbom and Merill will be stuck in the minors, I thought we would see at least one of them come up.

Fayne is going to be resigned, so I think Tallinder is out.

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