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07-03-2012, 10:01 PM
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"Speciality" players usually cost more and we already have one. No purpose in spending another 2 million on a similar player.

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07-03-2012, 11:38 PM
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I liked winnik a lot but it seems he's too expensive for us

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07-04-2012, 12:27 AM
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People who were worried about him getting injured again were just pessimists who didn't bother to look up his stats at the time. It was a freak accident.
He injured his shoulder at the Worlds last spring. The same shoulder that made him an injury risk in the first place. Those prior 3 years of health meant nothing at that point.

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07-04-2012, 01:59 AM
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He injured his shoulder at the Worlds last spring. The same shoulder that made him an injury risk in the first place. Those prior 3 years of health meant nothing at that point.
While we were worried about his shoulder, he didn't hurt his shoulder this year. He hurt his thigh and that was a completely freak accident.

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07-04-2012, 03:41 AM
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While we were worried about his shoulder, he didn't hurt his shoulder this year.
Only because he avoids physical contact like plague.

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07-04-2012, 04:53 AM
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Only because he avoids physical contact like plague.
Huskins would always take the hit to make the play.

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Great, now the McGinn deal has become a complete disaster, barring a miracle performance from TJ Galiardi.

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07-04-2012, 02:04 PM
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Great, now the McGinn deal has become a complete disaster, barring a miracle performance from TJ Galiardi.
Kind of like McGinn's miraculous 2011-12 performance after his disastrous 2010-11 season?

TJ has a lot more skill than McGinn. Will he rebound back to his rookie season form? Who knows. A lot of it has to do with player confidence and character. But TJ has the ability to be the better long term player than McGinn.

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07-04-2012, 06:19 PM
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Kind of like McGinn's miraculous 2011-12 performance after his disastrous 2010-11 season?

TJ has a lot more skill than McGinn. Will he rebound back to his rookie season form? Who knows. A lot of it has to do with player confidence and character. But TJ has the ability to be the better long term player than McGinn.
There were so many times that I remember seeing that Galiardi was in a great position to score, like basically open net but he was either a step too slow to get there in time or he didn't finish it. That gives me a lot of optimism towards what he can do.

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07-05-2012, 05:41 AM
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We have TJ and a 7th, i'm ok with that. This is one of the last things i'm worried about right now.

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The deal will hinge on the success of the prospects involved, mainly Sgarbossa IMO.
McGinn will fall back to earth, and if neither Sgarbossa or Connolly pan out, the aftermath of it will be Galiardi and a 7th for McGinn, in which case, we win every time.

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mcginn had already went back to normal before the year was up. those 8 games were impressive, but then he regressed and they missed the playoffs.

im not worried about it.

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07-05-2012, 10:52 AM
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consistent reg sesaon success is all we have given we are one of 6 teams in the league never to see the finals, and only the jets/coyotes have existed longer. the other 4 teams consist of league losers like cbj and florida and newbies like the wild and nash.
Two things I get with these types of comments.

1) Why does losing in the finals mean so much? I understand from an ownership point of view a birth in the finals mean more cash but isnt the goal to win the cup?

2) How does that number change if you only count the seasons since the Sharks came into the league?

Sharks are one of 17 teams not to win the cup
Sharks are one of 9 teams not to reach the finals (Toronto, NYI, Winnipeg, Phoenix, St. Louis, Nashville*, Minnesota*, Columbus*)

*teams that came into the league after the Sharks.

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How does TJ bounce back when he can't even get on the ice? Give the coach a eucalypts plant?

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How does TJ bounce back when he can't even get on the ice? Give the coach a eucalypts plant?
It would start by him being healthy. He was banged up down the stretch.

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Two things I get with these types of comments.

1) Why does losing in the finals mean so much? I understand from an ownership point of view a birth in the finals mean more cash but isnt the goal to win the cup?

2) How does that number change if you only count the seasons since the Sharks came into the league?

Sharks are one of 17 teams not to win the cup
Sharks are one of 9 teams not to reach the finals (Toronto, NYI, Winnipeg, Phoenix, St. Louis, Nashville*, Minnesota*, Columbus*)

*teams that came into the league after the Sharks.
You may want to research your data first. Toronto, NYI, St Louis, and Minnesota have all won, or have reached the finals. And 16 teams make the playoffs, so the sharks would be 1 of 15 to not win the cup.

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You may want to research your data first. Toronto, NYI, St Louis, and Minnesota have all won, or have reached the finals. And 16 teams make the playoffs, so the sharks would be 1 of 15 to not win the cup.
You should probably read through that again. It's the teams that haven't reached the finals SINCE the Sharks came into the league.

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07-10-2012, 03:16 AM
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Forget about comparing Winnik to Burish. Burish should end up on the 4th line. Winnik would be replacing Handzus on the 3rd and Handzus is making $2.5mil next season. I'd rather have Winnik at that price than Handzus. Unfortunately, Handzus has a no movement clause.

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07-10-2012, 09:41 AM
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You may want to research your data first. Toronto, NYI, St Louis, and Minnesota have all won, or have reached the finals. And 16 teams make the playoffs, so the sharks would be 1 of 15 to not win the cup.
And while the Blues have reached the finals, they have won as many games in the finals as the Sharks, in 3 tries. Sometimes it not just about getting there.

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Bringing this thread back up again.

At this point, I have to wonder. Did Winnik and his agent price themselves too high and now it has backfired?

Its seems obvious to me that this very well can be the case and now Winnik may now make far less then what is fair for him?

Winnik is looking right now at signing with a non-contending team, or signing with a contender @ less than market value, or welcome to the KHL where money earns you.

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If they're signing Doan/Semin, he would have to take an extreme paycut. He really has no place on this team if they're looking for 3 scoring lines. Fourth line is done and Wingels is a 3rd liner this season.

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07-11-2012, 12:00 AM
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Bringing this thread back up again.

At this point, I have to wonder. Did Winnik and his agent price themselves too high and now it has backfired?

Its seems obvious to me that this very well can be the case and now Winnik may now make far less then what is fair for him?

Winnik is looking right now at signing with a non-contending team, or signing with a contender @ less than market value, or welcome to the KHL where money earns you.
I've been thinking this since the start of free agency. Unless he really hates the Sharks at this point I think its possible he comes back now that nobody bit of his huge demands. I think he's look good on a 3rd line with Pavs and Wingles.

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I've been thinking this since the start of free agency. Unless he really hates the Sharks at this point I think its possible he comes back now that nobody bit of his huge demands. I think he's look good on a 3rd line with Pavs and Wingles.
He didnt seemed thrilled by the system when he got here. Perhaps the signings of Robinson and Johnson will make him come to his senses, but honestly, I don't know how he would come back to a team that stated publicly that they had moved on. It would make him look desperate.

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He didnt seemed thrilled by the system when he got here. Perhaps the signings of Robinson and Johnson will make him come to his senses, but honestly, I don't know how he would come back to a team that stated publicly that they had moved on. It would make him look desperate.
Agreed. He dug his own grave, or maybe it was his agent, but the Sharks definitely wanted him and have maybe changes that may be to his liking. Anyway, if we get Doan or another top 6 there will be plenty of options to fill the final spot, I just really like Winnik's game and think he could still be an option. His game fits right in with the new coaching staff.

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If he does come back, Clowe-Winnik-Wingles doesn't look too bad to me.

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