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07-08-2012, 04:48 AM
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but one bad series and it's "what have you done for me lately Marleau".

I count at least 5 bad or ineffective series for marleau out of 7 over the last 3 years. That's why some of us want to move on. If he were a difference maker in at least 3 or 4 I could reconcile it but 5 out of 7 to be a ghost? That means he's not part of the solution. At least not while eating up that much cap space.

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I count at least 5 bad or ineffective series for marleau out of 7 over the last 3 years. That's why some of us want to move on. If he were a difference maker in at least 3 or 4 I could reconcile it but 5 out of 7 to be a ghost? That means he's not part of the solution. At least not while eating up that much cap space.
2012: Blues (bad)
2011: Kings (good enough), Wings (bad), Canucks (great)
2010: Avs (bad), Wings (good enough), Hawks (great)

That's hardly 5/7 bad series.

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2012: Blues (bad)
2011: Kings (good enough), Wings (bad), Canucks (great)
2010: Avs (bad), Wings (good enough), Hawks (great)

That's hardly 5/7 bad series.
Good enough is not good enough when you make 7 mil.

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Today is July the 8th.

Doug Wilson's calendar tool should be going off the second he gets up, and he should be faxing a 3 year, $20m contract in the direction of Shane Doan.

Doesn't look like the Yotes are going to get it sorted, and Doan is THE player to put this team over the top in the remaining years that we actually have a window to win, not Rick Nash.

Do it, Dougie. Make our offseason.

That is all.

* Sign Doan
* Trade Demers for a decent draft pick
* Buy out Handszus
* Re-sign Pelech (7th Dman), Galiardi and Shepherd.
* Win the Cup, have a party.

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

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Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Shane Doan ($6.667m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
T.J. Galiardi ($0.800m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / James Sheppard ($0.761m)
Adam Burish ($1.850m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.640m) / Tommy Wingels ($0.775m)
John McCarthy ($0.613m) /

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Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Brad Stuart ($3.600m) / Dan Boyle ($6.667m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Justin Braun ($1.250m)
Matt Pelech ($0.578m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.588m)

BUYOUTS
Michal Handzus ($0.833m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,180,750; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $19,250


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Today is July the 8th.

Doug Wilson's calendar tool should be going off the second he gets up, and he should be faxing a 3 year, $20m contract in the direction of Shane Doan.

Doesn't look like the Yotes are going to get it sorted, and Doan is THE player to put this team over the top in the remaining years that we actually have a window to win, not Rick Nash.

Do it, Dougie. Make our offseason.

That is all.

* Sign Doan
* Trade Demers for a decent draft pick
* Buy out Handszus
* Re-sign Pelech (7th Dman), Galiardi and Shepherd.
* Win the Cup, have a party.

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS

Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Shane Doan ($6.667m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
T.J. Galiardi ($0.800m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / James Sheppard ($0.761m)
Adam Burish ($1.850m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.640m) / Tommy Wingels ($0.775m)
John McCarthy ($0.613m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Brad Stuart ($3.600m) / Dan Boyle ($6.667m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Justin Braun ($1.250m)
Matt Pelech ($0.578m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.588m)

BUYOUTS
Michal Handzus ($0.833m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,180,750; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $19,250
My understanding is the group working on the referendum did not submit any paperwork because they think they have another week to do so. Its just as big a mess today as yesterday. I don't see Doan going anywhere yet. He will just delay longer

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07-08-2012, 10:49 AM
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My understanding is the group working on the referendum did not submit any paperwork because they think they have another week to do so. Its just as big a mess today as yesterday. I don't see Doan going anywhere yet. He will just delay longer
Yeah, no need to waste time trying to sign Doan until he's convinced he should move on. He's so set on being a Coyote for life, he won't be motivated to play for another team. Can't blame him - tough situation

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My understanding is the group working on the referendum did not submit any paperwork because they think they have another week to do so. Its just as big a mess today as yesterday. I don't see Doan going anywhere yet. He will just delay longer
Or he is going to get pissed and give up on them. I can see it work either way.

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Today is July the 8th.

Doug Wilson's calendar tool should be going off the second he gets up, and he should be faxing a 3 year, $20m contract in the direction of Shane Doan.
Shirley you must be joking.

I'd go no higher than 3/$14M. Preferably, 2/$9M-$10M.

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Yeah, no need to waste time trying to sign Doan until he's convinced he should move on. He's so set on being a Coyote for life, he won't be motivated to play for another team.
This. The last thing we need is an emo Doan. If he's not fired up and ready to go, don't "force" him to sign with an offer he can't refuse.

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07-08-2012, 11:19 AM
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Or he is going to get pissed and give up on them. I can see it work either way.
His ties are to the Coyotes org, not the City of Glendale folks nor GWI folks. The latter groups of people are who he'd be pissed at.

The worst case for him is Doan signs with another team and the Coyotes stay in Phoenix. Talk about conflicted.

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His ties are to the Coyotes org, not the City of Glendale folks nor GWI folks. The latter groups of people are who he'd be pissed at.

The worst case for him is Doan signs with another team and the Coyotes stay in Phoenix. Talk about conflicted.
Ties or no ties, the situation is not getting any closer to resolution. I can see him getting frustrated at that.

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His ties are to the Coyotes org, not the City of Glendale folks nor GWI folks. The latter groups of people are who he'd be pissed at.

The worst case for him is Doan signs with another team and the Coyotes stay in Phoenix. Talk about conflicted.
But he is tied to the city. His family lives there and I'd assume he has a lot invested in the community (hence why he still wants to stay as close to Phoenix as possible).

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Get Doan to San Jose already!

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2012: Blues (bad)
2011: Kings (good enough), Wings (bad), Canucks (great)
2010: Avs (bad), Wings (good enough), Hawks (great)

That's hardly 5/7 bad series.
I would say he was great in 2010 against Detroit and in 2011 he redeemed himself a bit with a great game 7 but I agree with the rest

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Thorton had 3 assists on Marleaus 7 goals in the first round, 5 games. Cheecho set him up for quite a few too. From that point on Marleau had 2 goals. The sharks dominated the Preds that year and to be honest for my money Michalek was the most dominant player on that line when you watched the game play. He was the catalyst. Marleau played great and finished well but Michalek and Bernier were great linemates for that one playoff until Michalek got blindsided and knocked out of the playoffs. Losing him ended what I thought was one of their better chances to win it all.

As is his MO.. Marleau was outstanding for a single round.
Thornton may have had 3 assists but that doesn't mean he was the one that made the plays for the goals. You watch his goals from that series and you'll see only one goal that Thornton made the play to get the goal.

Marleau was the best player on the team in that series. Michalek? Please. He was good but you lose credibility here with that statement. In no way was he the catalyst for the team in that series. You can go back and look at the goals that were scored in that series. One was a great setup by Bernier and the other two were all Marleau.

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the NHL needs to create a Western Conference Finals MVP award and give away the Patrick Marleau Trophy to the winner

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I can't seem to find the dates for the moves and signings that DW made last summer but I wanna find them because I wanna see how long he usually waits to do anything big. I'm wondering if he's been quiet because he actually is trying to make a big trade involving Marleau to get Nash. To be honest I think we might be fine if we traded Handzus for like a pick or prospect or something to clear up some cap space and maybe we could sign a few wingers like Mike Knuble and Peter Mueller or maybe just one big name like Semin or something. Doesn't have to be those guys but I'm kinda just tossing names out there.

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Well, isn't Doan supposed to make his decision tomorrow? And aren't the Sharks supposed to be making an announcement tomorrow? Coincidence?

Probably. But one can hope.

Doan wants to play for the Coyotes, But he's also such a competitor that I have a hard time seeing him turn emo if it doesn't work out. Especially if the team, community, and staff can rally around him (which I think will happen) He's not the kind of guy to want to disappoint his fanbase, no matter what color sweater he's wearing.

On a side note, I'm still a bit intrigued that Winnik isn't signed yet. (though I had a dream he signed with the Kings and woke up pretty pissed off) He must be asking for the moon.

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Doan being waaaaaaaaaay overrated here. $6.6m?!?!?!?!? Doan is not, has never been, and never will be worth that. He is not a star that will put us over the top. He is a depth player that will score maybe 20 goals and be average defensively at best.

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Today is July the 8th.

Doug Wilson's calendar tool should be going off the second he gets up, and he should be faxing a 3 year, $20m contract in the direction of Shane Doan.
Oh please http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

Seriously just keep Pavelski on JTs wing instead. Paying a nearly 7 mill cap hit to Doan wow..... The Sharks would have their very own Redden contract. I know lets give him an NMC too..

You realize his last contract was 4.5 a year million right. Basic logic should suggest his value going down and not through the roof.

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Doan being waaaaaaaaaay overrated here. $6.6m?!?!?!?!? Doan is not, has never been, and never will be worth that. He is not a star that will put us over the top. He is a depth player that will score maybe 20 goals and be average defensively at best.
He is more myth now than man

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I can't seem to find the dates for the moves and signings that DW made last summer but I wanna find them because I wanna see how long he usually waits to do anything big.
My notes: http://icebergpix.com/h/ref/2011transactions.html


http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...-doan/related/

11 teams wooing Doan

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Doan being waaaaaaaaaay overrated here. $6.6m?!?!?!?!? Doan is not, has never been, and never will be worth that. He is not a star that will put us over the top. He is a depth player that will score maybe 20 goals and be average defensively at best.
Totally agree here. I would prefer if he got no more than 4.5M AAV over 3 years. Problem is that there is going to be more than one team vying for him and one of them will give him close to 5.5M/year.

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Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Shane Doan ($5.000m)
T.J. Galiardi ($0.735m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Adam Burish ($1.850m)
James Sheppard ($0.761m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.640m) / Tommy Wingels ($0.775m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.633m)
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Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Brad Stuart ($3.600m) / Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Justin Braun ($1.250m) /
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Antti Niemi ($3.800m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.588m)
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Buyout Handguns. Give Doan (450K more than he made last year.) almost all of what Sharks have for cap-space. Put Burish back with his buddy Pavs and put Galiardi or anyone else that's hot from the 4th line. Not too bad, 3rd line is Defensively responsible and has some scoring with Pavs. There's a bit of cap space left over just in case.

Could still throw another 500K at Doan if necessary. No way this could work w/o the buyout.

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I can't seem to find the dates for the moves and signings that DW made last summer but I wanna find them because I wanna see how long he usually waits to do anything big. I'm wondering if he's been quiet because he actually is trying to make a big trade involving Marleau to get Nash. To be honest I think we might be fine if we traded Handzus for like a pick or prospect or something to clear up some cap space and maybe we could sign a few wingers like Mike Knuble and Peter Mueller or maybe just one big name like Semin or something. Doesn't have to be those guys but I'm kinda just tossing names out there.
Its always been frustrating to watch DW in the FA follies. He isn't really a player. He always seems to wait at least two weeks to do anything like in the case of CuBro and Grier. He waits out the FA market until he finds someone who is an upgrade for the team and has limited bargaining power then inks them. If there isn't anyone he really thinks is an upgrade he'll skip the process. But he's also waited until before training camp to bring in UFA's on a tryout basis like Winchester, Freisen, and Ozo. Trades are a more likely approach for anything meaningful right now and that can happen all the way up to training camp.

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I think we need someone line Doan or another top 6 to play in Pav's old spot on the top line, Doan is a righty and should fit in well. Then put Pavs on the third with one of either Galiardi or Wingels and a veteran 3rd line defensive type, we can wait to acquire said player until closer to camp as we did with Manny. There are tons of those types around and they will only be getting cheaper, in fact I don't think its that far fetched that Winnik might come back once his demands drop. I know he said what he said about Winnik, but DW has said one thing and done another many times before. Maybe even re-sign Moore. That would give us something like say,

Marleau Thornton Doan/another righty top 6
Clowe Couture Havlat
Galiardi/Winnik/Moore/vet Pavelski Wingels
Galiardi/Sheppard Desi Burish

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