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07-11-2012, 10:23 PM
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I'd take Doan on the Kings, but at the same time I sort of hope he stays in Phoenix. That means the Coyotes will be there, and the Kings have a little something going with the Coyotes now. Not just because of meeting in the conference final, but even the regular season games had a little bite to them. It's fun.

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I'd take Doan on the Kings, but at the same time I sort of hope he stays in Phoenix. That means the Coyotes will be there, and the Kings have a little something going with the Coyotes now. Not just because of meeting in the conference final, but even the regular season games had a little bite to them. It's fun.
The embolden is how I feel also. I want the Coyotes to succeed in Phoenix. It would be nice to see them disprove all the naysayers in the arrogant Canadian media.

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Peter Mueller signs for 1 year in Florida. $1.725.
Dale Tallon is going to win a cup with that roster being known for dumpster diving.


Fleischmenn, Versteeg, Skille, Sturm, Goc, Kopecky, Samuelsson, Wolski, Campbell...now Mueller...

I think the only guy that has been there for more than 5 years is Weiss. Hell, maybe even 3 years.

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HansH thanks for the clarrification.

Jeremy Roenick lives in Phoenix and said awhile back the problem is the location of the building. Everyone who lives in Arizona, lives in Scottsdale...that is where ASU is and any celebrities or athletes live...that is the best place for it.
I have been out there a couple of times, and what Roenick says is 100% true. There is a hotel and small mall right near the arena, but nothing else. All the big cities are at least 30 minutes away, usually closer to an hour.

If they stayed in American West they would draw alot more. Right in the middle of everything, and they drew well there.

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Dale Tallon is going to win a cup with that roster being known for dumpster diving.


Fleischmenn, Versteeg, Skille, Sturm, Goc, Kopecky, Samuelsson, Wolski, Campbell...now Mueller...

I think the only guy that has been there for more than 5 years is Weiss. Hell, maybe even 3 years.
I don't even know if they make the playoffs next year....

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I have been out there a couple of times, and what Roenick says is 100% true. There is a hotel and small mall right near the arena, but nothing else. All the big cities are at least 30 minutes away, usually closer to an hour.

If they stayed in American West they would draw alot more. Right in the middle of everything, and they drew well there.
Economically, they are probably more viable out in Glendale. (as sad as that sounds)

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I don't even know if they make the playoffs next year....


In that division I think they almost certainly make the playoffs.

Washington hasn't improved much, neither has Winnipeg, Tampa or Carolina outside of getting Jordan Staal.

Florida hasn't added a whole lot, but they had a playoff caliber team last season, and they were pretty much an offseason throw together with little time to gel with each other. The young guys like Gudbranson are a year more experienced, and there is talk that Bjugstad and Howden have real good shots at the lineup this year. Not to mention Markstrom will be healthy.

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In that division I think they almost certainly make the playoffs.

Washington hasn't improved much, neither has Winnipeg, Tampa or Carolina outside of getting Jordan Staal.

Florida hasn't added a whole lot, but they had a playoff caliber team last season, and they were pretty much an offseason throw together with little time to gel with each other. The young guys like Gudbranson are a year more experienced, and there is talk that Bjugstad and Howden have real good shots at the lineup this year. Not to mention Markstrom will be healthy.
I believe Markstrom will be in the AHL. Theodore and Clemmensen are back again, but agree I can see them making the playoffs again, though it will be tough.

Also getting Ribero was big for Washington, finally have a 2nd line center behind Backstrom and Staal is a great addition to Carolina

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I'd take Doan on the Kings, but at the same time I sort of hope he stays in Phoenix. That means the Coyotes will be there, and the Kings have a little something going with the Coyotes now. Not just because of meeting in the conference final, but even the regular season games had a little bite to them. It's fun.
Also means less travel for Kings. ANA, PHX and SJ evens out the travel a bit

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I believe Markstrom will be in the AHL. Theodore and Clemmensen are back again, but agree I can see them making the playoffs again, though it will be tough.

Also getting Ribero was big for Washington, finally have a 2nd line center behind Backstrom and Staal is a great addition to Carolina
Ribiero will be great for Washington. I just fear that losing Semin is going to leave a much bigger hole in their offensive production then they think.

Also, I think Markstrom makes the jump this year if he can stay healthy.

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Economically, they are probably more viable out in Glendale. (as sad as that sounds)
I have a hard time believing that would be true. I have no evidence to support that but they definitely were better set up in downtown to get the fans there.

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Ribiero will be great for Washington. I just fear that losing Semin is going to leave a much bigger hole in their offensive production then they think.

Also, I think Markstrom makes the jump this year if he can stay healthy.
I believe Florida was unhappy with Markstrom's attitude right now, though that could have changed but I remember reading that, but things could change in training camp.

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In that division I think they almost certainly make the playoffs.

Washington hasn't improved much, neither has Winnipeg, Tampa or Carolina outside of getting Jordan Staal.

Florida hasn't added a whole lot, but they had a playoff caliber team last season, and they were pretty much an offseason throw together with little time to gel with each other. The young guys like Gudbranson are a year more experienced, and there is talk that Bjugstad and Howden have real good shots at the lineup this year. Not to mention Markstrom will be healthy.
The thing with those misfit/castoff type teams is that they can work for maybe a year, but it hardly ever lasts. Phoenix has done it the last few years though, so I'm not saying it can't work in Florida.

That SE division is usually a toss up after Washington lately. All the credit to Florida for taking advantage of the situation, but Backstrom missed half the season for the Caps last year, and they still finished only 2 points behind the Panthers. Tampa Bay and Carolina have made the playoffs in 1 of the last 5, and 1 of the last 6 years respectively, but they both went to the conference final when they did make it. The Jets are still pretty much the Thrashers, just in a Canadian city.

I'd say Washington gets back on track, and then who knows what happens for 2nd place in that division.

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I have a hard time believing that would be true. I have no evidence to support that but they definitely were better set up in downtown to get the fans there.
Except for the fact that because of the location of the rink compared to the seats, a whole balcony in the end zone had no view whatsoever of the near net -- making those seats effectively worthless. Even if there had been a demand for tickets bursting at the seams, the effective lowered capacity of AWA, in addition to being a tenant of the Suns instead of controlling bookings at the facility themselves, made the revenue stream unworkable in the long term. The Coyotes were never going to make it staying in that facility -- they were eventually going to have to move again, whether to the 'burbs or out of market. Had the east-side arena proposals come to fruition, it likely would have been a better situation -- that and not getting an owner who started as a real-estate partner and accidentally ended up owning the NHL team as well (effectively).

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I believe Florida was unhappy with Markstrom's attitude right now, though that could have changed but I remember reading that, but things could change in training camp.
Yea I had heard something similar. I think he was unhappy that he hadn't got a shot at the NHL yet. They pulled him up in about I think November or so and sent him back down. Obviously he was frustrated he didn't get more starts.

I think his attitude got better because he went back down to the AHL and played well but unfortunately got hurt.

I think that's when prospects either make or break it. That first call up/send down. You either get your confidence shot and become a good minor league player and a bad nhl player. Or you go back down, work on stuff, and fight your way back at it.

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The thing with those misfit/castoff type teams is that they can work for maybe a year, but it hardly ever lasts. Phoenix has done it the last few years though, so I'm not saying it can't work in Florida.

That SE division is usually a toss up after Washington lately. All the credit to Florida for taking advantage of the situation, but Backstrom missed half the season for the Caps last year, and they still finished only 2 points behind the Panthers. Tampa Bay and Carolina have made the playoffs in 1 of the last 5, and 1 of the last 6 years respectively, but they both went to the conference final when they did make it. The Jets are still pretty much the Thrashers, just in a Canadian city.

I'd say Washington gets back on track, and then who knows what happens for 2nd place in that division.
Seriously the most volatile division in hockey. Everyone is mediocre. Even Washington. I'm still not convinced that McPhee even knows what defense or goaltending development is.

It makes for a good mix of division winners year to year, and some fun division races, but it also makes for a lot of first round seeded upsets, and one team division representation.

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Except for the fact that because of the location of the rink compared to the seats, a whole balcony in the end zone had no view whatsoever of the near net -- making those seats effectively worthless. Even if there had been a demand for tickets bursting at the seams, the effective lowered capacity of AWA, in addition to being a tenant of the Suns instead of controlling bookings at the facility themselves, made the revenue stream unworkable in the long term. The Coyotes were never going to make it staying in that facility -- they were eventually going to have to move again, whether to the 'burbs or out of market. Had the east-side arena proposals come to fruition, it likely would have been a better situation -- that and not getting an owner who started as a real-estate partner and accidentally ended up owning the NHL team as well (effectively).
Weird thing is when I was there they would be filled up, so I didn't think it was a major issue. And yeah, they did have alot of other issues sadly driving them to Glendale.

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for those of you who think Doan is 35+, so we should only offer him a $3-4 mil / 1 year take-it-or-leave-it deal, an eastern conference team just offered a $30+ mil for 4 years. proof that the armchair GMs on this board have a real ear to the ground on market value...

https://twitter.com/Gambo620/status/223841139659259905

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for those of you who think Doan is 35+, so we should only offer him a $3-4 mil / 1 year take-it-or-leave-it deal, an eastern conference team just offered a $30+ mil for 4 years. proof that the armchair GMs on this board have a real ear to the ground on market value...

https://twitter.com/Gambo620/status/223841139659259905
I don't buy it, but if it happens to be true, I would think it is a bottom seed team with cap space (i.e. Islanders) making the ludicrous offer. A 35+ contract at $7.5M at 4 years would be a big mistake. Look at the Flyers now being stuck with Pronger's terrible contract.

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for those of you who think Doan is 35+, so we should only offer him a $3-4 mil / 1 year take-it-or-leave-it deal, an eastern conference team just offered a $30+ mil for 4 years. proof that the armchair GMs on this board have a real ear to the ground on market value...

https://twitter.com/Gambo620/status/223841139659259905
So because some idiot GM is going to overpay for Doan that makes the armchair GMs around here dumb? I don't get what your point is.


30+ mil and 4 years for Doan is obscene. You're talking a possible 7+ mil cap hit per season? **** that. That kind of deal has Garth Snow all over it.

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So because some idiot GM is going to overpay for Doan that makes the armchair GMs around here dumb? I don't get what your point is.


30+ mil and 4 years for Doan is obscene. You're talking a possible 7+ mil cap hit per season? **** that. That kind of deal has Garth Snow all over it.
it means that people here who expect to sign a player at 1/2th of what his market worth at 1/4th of the duration are not talking reasonably. (The "let's just re-sign Doughty to a 7 year $4 mil contract hometown discount") It means when armchair GMs unfairly criticize GMs for overpaying players, that may not be necessarily true if his market value is there. (This happens ALL the time with pretty much every signing)

Whether you like it or not, if someone offers Doan a ludicrous offer, it's what his market price is at. Even if he is 35+

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Aren't there still teams that need to get to the floor?

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for those of you who think Doan is 35+, so we should only offer him a $3-4 mil / 1 year take-it-or-leave-it deal, an eastern conference team just offered a $30+ mil for 4 years. proof that the armchair GMs on this board have a real ear to the ground on market value...

https://twitter.com/Gambo620/status/223841139659259905
I'm open to Doan being overpaid by the kings, but 4 yrs for 30M+ is just ridiculous!

If I'm Doan, I'm more about the chance at the cup than I'm about $$.

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He's not going to sign that contract. He'd be homesick, and his family seems to be more important to him than anything else. No way he's going to put his family through that. I could see him waiting for Phoenix until just before training camp.

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Eklund is saying an Eastern conf. team not named the Flyers offered Doan 4 years 30 mil as well.

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In that division I think they almost certainly make the playoffs.

Washington hasn't improved much, neither has Winnipeg, Tampa or Carolina outside of getting Jordan Staal.

Florida hasn't added a whole lot, but they had a playoff caliber team last season, and they were pretty much an offseason throw together with little time to gel with each other. The young guys like Gudbranson are a year more experienced, and there is talk that Bjugstad and Howden have real good shots at the lineup this year. Not to mention Markstrom will be healthy.
Getting rid of Bodreau was IMO.

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for those of you who think Doan is 35+, so we should only offer him a $3-4 mil / 1 year take-it-or-leave-it deal, an eastern conference team just offered a $30+ mil for 4 years. proof that the armchair GMs on this board have a real ear to the ground on market value...

https://twitter.com/Gambo620/status/223841139659259905
Then they can have Doan. Two years and $10M is plenty for the Kings to spend. Does Doan want to win, or not?

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it means that people here who expect to sign a player at 1/2th of what his market worth at 1/4th of the duration are not talking reasonably. (The "let's just re-sign Doughty to a 7 year $4 mil contract hometown discount") It means when armchair GMs unfairly criticize GMs for overpaying players, that may not be necessarily true if his market value is there. (This happens ALL the time with pretty much every signing)

Whether you like it or not, if someone offers Doan a ludicrous offer, it's what his market price is at. Even if he is 35+
Anyone remember this?

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