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07-23-2012, 06:57 PM
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With the first pick in the 2013 NHL draft the Columbus Blue Jackets select...
They'll have the 1st, the 30th, and maybe the 29th if the Rangers can make it to the cup.

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Wow. What a ****ing joke Howson is. That team is going to be ****ing BRUTAL next year. I feel so bad for JMFJ.
I feel for their fans. Who give a **** about Jack Johnson lol

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I feel bad for CBJ fans. A crackhead could be a better GM than Howson

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07-23-2012, 08:02 PM
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RUMOR: Rick Nash traded to the @thenyrangers. Wants to watch #LAKings raise the Stanley Cup banner opening night.

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07-23-2012, 09:51 PM
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FORWARDS
Umberger Brassard Atkinson
Dubinsky Johansen Foligno
Prospal Anisimov Dorsett
DMac Letestu Boll
Calvert
Gillies
Russell


DEFENSEMEN
Johnson Wiz
Tyutin Nikitin
Aucoin Murray
Erixon
Moore
Savard


GOALTENDERS
Bobrovsky
Mason


Those are the Blue Jackets projected lines right now...ouch. If we trade Bernier there, I wonder if his career will even survive.

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07-23-2012, 10:14 PM
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FORWARDS
Umberger Brassard Atkinson
Dubinsky Johansen Foligno
Prospal Anisimov Dorsett
DMac Letestu Boll
Calvert
Gillies
Russell


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Ouch. I don't think a single forward on that team would crack the top 7 or 8 on LA.

We should start a poll:

Penner/Gagne - Stoll - Lewis vs Umberger - Brass - Atkinson

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07-23-2012, 10:40 PM
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I'd rather have Umberger than any of the three Kings you mentioned. Their roster is bad though.

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FORWARDS
Umberger Brassard Atkinson
Dubinsky Johansen Foligno
Prospal Anisimov Dorsett
DMac Letestu Boll
Calvert
Gillies
Russell


DEFENSEMEN
Johnson Wiz
Tyutin Nikitin
Aucoin Murray
Erixon
Moore
Savard


GOALTENDERS
Bobrovsky
Mason


Those are the Blue Jackets projected lines right now...ouch. If we trade Bernier there, I wonder if his career will even survive.
At least they have some offensive depth, it's not all that bad up front. I bet they would slaughter the 96-97 kings The defense isn't deep and will need to stay very healthy. Pretty sure Erixon will get some playing time, and I would be surprised if Moore wasn't a regular. He played great down the stretch

If you would have showed me this roster and compared it to the Phoenix roster of last year, I wouldn't think they were all that different in talent. Average/poor goalies, one good defenseman surrounded by mediocre ones, with a couple promising youngsters. Phoenix had a 39 year old Whitney, Doan, a journeyman in Vrbata, and scoring by committee. Columbus has an old Prospal, a journeyman in Umberger, and scoring by committee. I would have said Phoenix was slightly better, but not by much.

They may look like crap but I wouldn't be surprised if they have a much better season next year. Teams without all-stars tend to band together and work hard for each other. That team really bought in when Richards took over, IIRC they were nearly .500 with him as a coach, and that was for about half the season. I'm not saying they'll pull a Phoenix next season, but it's not nearly as dire as people are making it out to be.

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07-23-2012, 11:01 PM
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I actually really like that 2nd line of Duby - Johansen - Foligno


But the rest is one big bag of ouch.

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07-23-2012, 11:40 PM
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Something to chew on...

If Doan doesn't sign in Phoenix amidst the cluster**** and Nashville doesn't match the Weber offer sheet...

Then that makes Nash, Doan, and Weber out of the Western Conference.

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07-24-2012, 12:13 AM
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Doan seems to only be seriously considering western conference teams. At least that was the report a week or two ago.

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Doan seems to only be seriously considering western conference teams. At least that was the report a week or two ago.
I think that report was before he was in NY visiting the Rags and then the following day in Philly chatting it up with the Flyers...?


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07-24-2012, 01:38 AM
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At least they have some offensive depth, it's not all that bad up front. I bet they would slaughter the 96-97 kings The defense isn't deep and will need to stay very healthy. Pretty sure Erixon will get some playing time, and I would be surprised if Moore wasn't a regular. He played great down the stretch

If you would have showed me this roster and compared it to the Phoenix roster of last year, I wouldn't think they were all that different in talent. Average/poor goalies, one good defenseman surrounded by mediocre ones, with a couple promising youngsters. Phoenix had a 39 year old Whitney, Doan, a journeyman in Vrbata, and scoring by committee. Columbus has an old Prospal, a journeyman in Umberger, and scoring by committee. I would have said Phoenix was slightly better, but not by much.

They may look like crap but I wouldn't be surprised if they have a much better season next year. Teams without all-stars tend to band together and work hard for each other. That team really bought in when Richards took over, IIRC they were nearly .500 with him as a coach, and that was for about half the season. I'm not saying they'll pull a Phoenix next season, but it's not nearly as dire as people are making it out to be.
That roster will not score 200 goals in a season while that defense will probably allow twice what they score. Book it.

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07-24-2012, 01:53 AM
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I think that report was before he was in NY visiting the Rags and then the following day in Philly chatting it up with the Flyers...?

Someone on the main board mentioned that. I replied with our Kovalchuk story.
He's not looking to sign with NY or Philly - he's just getting a free east coast vacation.

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Someone on the main board mentioned that. I replied with our Kovalchuk story.
He's not looking to sign with NY or Philly - he's just getting a free east coast vacation.
He's out there anyway for CBA talks. Might as well do something with your free time outside of negotiations.

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07-24-2012, 09:18 AM
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I think that report was before he was in NY visiting the Rags and then the following day in Philly chatting it up with the Flyers...?

Makes you wonder what's going on with Phoenix if he hasn't re-signed with the Coyotes. It's been very quiet.

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07-24-2012, 01:41 PM
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Why is anyone feeling sorry for Dubinsky or the other players? Players like Justin Williams, Matt Greene and Jarrett Stoll did not sulk when they came to LA and they were catalysts in turning the ship around. He and Jack should look at Columbus as an opportunity to build something from the ground up. As long as their GM continues to build and make decent personnel changes, they'll have as good of a shot to win as anyone in a few years.

I personally think the Rangers are overrated as is and I think the playoffs exposed that last year. They got to the third round on a wing and prayer. Rick Nash and his $7.8m deal are going to have no excuses for not performing in NY and he will be under the microscope. He'd better be prepared to play.
I don't get it either. Its not like Columbus can get any worse, and while they havent got a game breaker anymore, Dubinsky and Anisimov aren't chopped liver. Both could hit 20 goals without a lot of trouble. And they got another first rounder

I don't know if this improves the Rangers by leaps and bounds, a lot of their ability seems to be measured in players being healthy and young players taking the next step. Both can be major pains in the ass. I'd hold out for a season and see what happens.

I won't lie, I'm rooting for the Jackets to turn the ship around. Its good for hockey and the franchise itself. Nevermind the Edmonton approach, just claw your way free of the pit with what you have.

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07-24-2012, 02:14 PM
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Yea, reading that Columbus wants to go for "scoring by committee."

well...I mean it's not a HORRIBLE start by any means...

Anisimov, who is still just 24, could be a 20-20 shut down center. Dubinsky, 26, is capable of 20-30, as is Foligno (24), and Umberger (30). Johansen (19) had a 30 point rookie season..

Prospal is good for 50. Brassard (24), if he can get his head straight is good for about 20-30 as well...Wiz (28), Nikitin (26), and JJ (25) know how to put up points.


All things considered..I think they might be a better team today then they were yesterday. Arguably deeper. Replacing a 30-40, 40-40 player in Nash with two 20-30 guys, a defensive prospect, and a 1st rounder.

The dust is settling and i'm starting to see that Columbus...I mean..they aren't going to win the Central, but they are a couple pieces away from really starting to carry some weight. Goaltending and defensive defenseman are still a need. As are some better bottom line forwards.

The NHL is won by depth now, not by star power. I think teams like us, Phoenix, Nashville, Detroit....they've proven you can win without star power.

I am starting to see a trend in West vs. East that reads a lot like that. You aren't seeing a lot of east coast teams pursue depth signings. They are going for big star knockout punches and leaving their teams crippled in depth.

I think San Jose and Vancouver are becoming the last west coast teams to really try and build around stars. Florida is building a west coast style team, and funny, their GM built that sort of winner with Chicago.

Last year Boston also had a similar style, less stars more depth. Teams like Philly and New York...they will go the way of their stars. It's too much riding on too few of shoulders. New Jersey saw that first hand in the finals when neither Kovalchuk or Parise could hit water if they were on a boat.


I think the initial knee jerk from everyone, and history makes this happen, is that, "Oh it was Howson and CBJ? They got screwed somehow." But that might not be entirely true in this deal. I mean imagine if Erixon pans out to be a decent player, they get a good first round pick with NYRs pick, and Anisimov and Dubinsky put up 20-30. Might not look so bad for one guy.


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Columbus has the resources (picks) and glut of D-man to make a trade for a proven forward.

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Nashville Predators Match Offer Sheet To Captain Shea Weber

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Told you Nashville would match. They had to. The Flyers shot themselves in the foot.

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Told you Nashville would match. They had to. The Flyers shot themselves in the foot.
It seemed like common sense that the Predators would match. Ahh, all those sad sad Flyer fans.

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Good move. Dude is a stud. Tough to lose Suter, would have been the end of Nashville if they lost Weber.

They re-signed Gaustad, Kostisyn and Gill, so they are looking okay for next season.

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Overall, they are paying Weber the same as they would have, the deal is just frontloaded drastically. In a year, if Weber still wants to leave, he will become the hottest commodity in the NHL and would be worth quite a fortune with 1/5-1/4 of his total cost paid off and signed for the rest of his career, in his prime. There was no way Nashville wasn't matching and the Flyers did them a huge favor, but screwed themselves over. Instead of trading for a rental Weber, at a rental price, and then re-signing him reasonably, they are going to have to outbid a majority of the league next year, and frankly wouldn't have the assets to pull it off.

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Overall, they are paying Weber the same as they would have, the deal is just frontloaded drastically. In a year, if Weber still wants to leave, he will become the hottest commodity in the NHL and would be worth quite a fortune with 1/5-1/4 of his total cost paid off and signed for the rest of his career, in his prime. There was no way Nashville wasn't matching and the Flyers did them a huge favor, but screwed themselves over. Instead of trading for a rental Weber, at a rental price, and then re-signing him reasonably, they are going to have to outbid a majority of the league next year, and frankly wouldn't have the assets to pull it off.
How willing is Nashville going to be to work with Philly after this? My guess is Weber isn't going to Philly unless it's a highway robbery. I'm glad to see this backfired on the Flyers, I still think it was a dick move.

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