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07-04-2012, 01:36 PM
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Howson's leverage is getting a little bit better with each day of free agency that passes and the Rangers don't adress their scoring. Sorry to say, but it's true.
Yeah it is, except that it isn't.


Nash's NTC makes it impossible for Howson to have any wiggle room in this process unless a team steps in with a big offer.

I don't know why, but I feel like i just repeated myself.

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No it's not. The Rangers got to the ECF with the same team as the one they have now last season. And all our young players are a year older. Howson has no more leverage now than he did on June 30th.
The Rangers did indeed make the ECF. And then what? Our scoring was the obvious issue the entire playoffs, and if we don't fix that we won't be winning the cup anytime soon. As I said during the trade-deadline, we don't know what will happen next season. Yes, our players will be one year older, but does that automatically mean that they'll be better? Didn't we all think that Gaborik would score 50 after his 09/10 season? Or how many believed that Dubinsky would have his abysmal season that he had? Or better yet, you think Oiler and Cane fans believed they'd fall into oblivion after their cup/getting to the finals?

It's clear Howson won't blink, and it's clear that neither will Sather. That's why I find it troublesome that we're not doing anything in free agency to fix what was our most glaring need during the playoffs. I don't want to be the regular season champs, I want to be the post season champs.

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07-04-2012, 01:39 PM
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The Rangers did indeed make the ECF. And then what? Our scoring was the obvious issue the entire playoffs, and if we don't fix that we won't be winning the cup anytime soon. As I said during the trade-deadline, we don't know what will happen next season. Yes, our players will be one year older, but does that automatically mean that they'll be better? Didn't we all think that Gaborik would score 50 after his 09/10 season? Or how many believed that Dubinsky would have his abysmal season that he had? Or better yet, you think Oiler and Cane fans believed they'd fall into oblivion after their cup/getting to the finals?

It's clear Howson won't blink, and it's clear that neither will Sather. That's why I find it troublesome that we're not doing anything in free agency to fix what was our most glaring need during the playoffs. I don't want to be the regular season champs, I want to be the post season champs.
Who did you want in this free agent class? Who do you want who is still available?

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howson *yawn*... the dude won't last next season

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So, can you please give a few options to what will solve our scoring issues except for Nash and Ryan?
Again, the options don't even have to be present right now. And neither you nor I are aware of what players are even available, besides those that are "officially" on the block. But rest assured Sather is constantly checking in with the rest of the GMs to kick tires and see who might be available. We don't have to deal for Nash or Ryan just because those are the two biggest names that can be had. Just because we might not have the best roster heading in to training camp doesn't mean the season is lost. So I could give you a few options of guys I'd like to add, but that means nothing because I don't know if they are available, and whether they are worth the price. But Sather is waiting for the right deal to come along...and when it does he'll pull the trigger. We really just need to have patience. If it doesn't happen this month, or next or the month after that there's still no need to panic. We're a young team that's still getting better...despite what many think, time is still on our side.

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Who did you want in this free agent class? Who do you want who is still available?
I wanted either of Ray Whitney, Jaromir Jagr, Jiri Hudler, Steve Sullivan(well, as a late option). I also would've liked Sami Salo at that price to complete our D. I also feel like we could've gotten in on the Roy trade.

As to who is available, Mueller looks like an option. Also Semin if all else fall through. But to tell you the truth, we should've acted way earlier on the players I listed above. But they're already signed now.

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Who did you want in this free agent class? Who do you want who is still available?
Exactly! No one left which i want to see in a NYR-Uniform. So move on with the guys we have and see what happens till trade-deadline...

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I was afraid of that. At least it happened though, thank God both are in Minny and this makes me happy. I like that club and it looks like they just got a helluva lot better.

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Again, the options don't even have to be present right now. And neither you nor I are aware of what players are even available, besides those that are "officially" on the block. But rest assured Sather is constantly checking in with the rest of the GMs to kick tires and see who might be available. We don't have to deal for Nash or Ryan just because those are the two biggest names that can be had. Just because we might not have the best roster heading in to training camp doesn't mean the season is lost. So I could give you a few options of guys I'd like to add, but that means nothing because I don't know if they are available, and whether they are worth the price. But Sather is waiting for the right deal to come along...and when it does he'll pull the trigger. We really just need to have patience. If it doesn't happen this month, or next or the month after that there's still no need to panic. We're a young team that's still getting better...despite what many think, time is still on our side.
No, but I just want your honest opinion one who you'd want/who you'd think we could target.

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So both Parise and Suter each get $25 million in signing bonuses: $10 M payable now, $10 M payable July 1, 2013 and $5 M on July 1, 2014
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Isn't that illegal? I thought you couldn't reduce the salary by more than 50% from one year to the next.

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For some reason, I thought the annual salary couldn't drop by more than 50% from one season to the next (i.e. $6M to $2M).


Anyone else remember hearing that as a rule for contracts? I guess I was mistaken.

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Isn't that illegal? I thought you couldn't reduce the salary by more than 50% from one year to the next.
No it's 50% of the average of the first two years or something like that

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No, but I just want your honest opinion one who you'd want/who you'd think we could target.
Like I said, my opinion is irrelevant because I don't know who might be available. If I were a GM I could tell you which teams were looking for help at which positions and where a deal could likely be made. But I'm not. Just because I would love to have a certain player doesn't mean he could be had. I mean I'd love to trade for Evander Kane, but for all I know the Jets have no interest in dealing him.

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It's the 2m base in the first two years that lets you get away with it.

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This FA class sucks and I'm content to go with what we have at this point. If Semin can be brought in without a decade long contract than that might work, until he's benched for 35 games in a row...but than at least he can be traded for prospects and picks.

Nash, well Nash just isn't going to cure the Ranger's goalscoring ills and isn't worth much. Columbus can keep its headache.

No one in the east got stronger, Pitt and NJ got weaker. No reason to make any hasty moves if you're Sather.

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It's the 2m base in the first two years that lets you get away with it.


Ohhk, that's pretty slick structuring. Thanks for the info.

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The Rangers did indeed make the ECF. And then what? Our scoring was the obvious issue the entire playoffs, and if we don't fix that we won't be winning the cup anytime soon. As I said during the trade-deadline, we don't know what will happen next season. Yes, our players will be one year older, but does that automatically mean that they'll be better? Didn't we all think that Gaborik would score 50 after his 09/10 season? Or how many believed that Dubinsky would have his abysmal season that he had? Or better yet, you think Oiler and Cane fans believed they'd fall into oblivion after their cup/getting to the finals?

It's clear Howson won't blink, and it's clear that neither will Sather. That's why I find it troublesome that we're not doing anything in free agency to fix what was our most glaring need during the playoffs. I don't want to be the regular season champs, I want to be the post season champs.
OK, I'll play the game for a second since you clearly don't understand.

We are the same team. Dubi had a down year -- he should be better.

Gaborik will be healthy come December.

Pittsburgh is now a significantly worse team.

The Devils are now a significantly worse team.

We beat the piss out of the Flyers regardless.

How is this all of a sudden terrible for us? The teams around us are worse today than they were last season.

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These contracts are so ****ing stupid.

Oh well, just glad none of our rivals got these guys.

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I don't think that's it. I think it's the total salary including bonuses, but half of 12 is 6 and it doesn't drop by more than 6 in any year.

Could be wrong however.

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This FA class sucks and I'm content to go with what we have at this point. If Semin can be brought in without a decade long contract than that might work, until he's benched for 35 games in a row...but than at least he can be traded for prospects and picks.


You're advocating bringing in a guy who you think will be consistently benched? And you think that, after poor performance, consistent benching you'll just be able to instantly dump him for prospects and picks?


I'm not seeing much logic to that line of thought. I don't think Semin is the answer to this team's problems.

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OK, I'll play the game for a second since you clearly don't understand.

We are the same team. Dubi had a down year -- he should be better.

Gaborik will be healthy come December.

Pittsburgh is now a significantly worse team.

The Devils are now a significantly worse team.

We beat the piss out of the Flyers regardless.

How is this all of a sudden terrible for us? The teams around us are worse today than they were last season.
Ok, I've made a mistake. We're not putting all of our eggs in the Nash-basket, we're putting some in the "hope all of our players will be much better-basket". Who will have the next down-year? No one? Will all of our prospects boom and not bust? So many "shoulds" and whatnot. Hey, if your predicition comes true, i'm all for it. I just think it's a bit naive hoping that everything will solve itself.

We are the same team. Did that team not have issues? Did that team not get exposed late in the playoffs?

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