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Sens Board Prospect Rankings 2012 (12th)

View Poll Results: Vote for our #12 Prospect!
Darren Kramer 1 0.87%
Jarrod Maidens 7 6.09%
Ben Blood 1 0.87%
Nikita Filatov 2 1.74%
Chris Wideman 0 0%
Jakub Culek 0 0%
Fredrik Claesson 1 0.87%
Michael Sdao 0 0%
Patrick Wiercioch 30 26.09%
Chris Driedger 1 0.87%
Andre Petersson 32 27.83%
Eric Gryba 0 0%
Jim O'Brien 29 25.22%
Jean-Gabriel Pageau 10 8.70%
Derek Grant 1 0.87%
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07-10-2012, 12:03 PM
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Sens Board Prospect Rankings 2012 (12th)

Sens Prospect Rankings:

1. Jakob Silfverberg F (Brynäs IF, SEL) 52.60%
2. Mika Zibanejad F (Djurgården IF, SEL) 62.79%
3. Robin Lehner G (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 80.95%
4. Mark Stone F (Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL) 54.86%
5. Cody Ceci D (Ottawa 67's, OHL) 58.47%
6. Stefan Noesen F (Plymouth Whalers, OHL) 88.14%
7. Matt Puempel F (Peterborough Petes, OHL)33.81%
8. Shane Prince F (Ottawa 67s, OHL) 46.15%
9. Mark Borowiecki D (Binghamton Senators, AHL)32.09%
10. Stephane Da Costa F (Binghamton Senators, AHL)38.24%
11. Mike Hoffman F (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 45.00%

Senators Prospects Top 40 (2011) + Past Rankings:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...745&highlight=

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Went Wiercioch. He needs a solid year and should get one.

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Interesting note about Eric Gryba - if he re-signs with the Sens for 1 year and does not play in at least 80 NHL games in 2012-13, he will become an unrestricted free agent at July 1, 2013 (assuming the qualification for Group 6 free agency doesn't change in the next CBA).

2012-13 would be Gryba's 3rd professional season - he turns 25 in April, 2013 and to-date has not played an NHL game.

From the CBA (section 10.1 (c)):

Group 6 Free Agents.
(i) Means any Player who is age 25 or older who has completed three
(3) or more professional seasons, whose SPC has expired and: (i)
in the case of a Player other than a goaltender, has played less than
80 NHL Games.

He may not be a Sens prospect much longer :-(

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Wiercioch. Remove Filatov from this poll, please. The horse can't take it.

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I went with the guy who is 3 weeks of no-shaving away from being the Geico Caveman:



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The sky is blue.

The grass is green.

Posters on HFBoards overrate unproven prospects. Jim O'Brien should be about 6th on here. Hoffman should not be as high as he is. Same with Prince and Puempel.

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I went with the guy who is 3 weeks of no-shaving away from being the Geico Caveman:


He's also a George Parros stache away from offering candy to kids out of the back of his van.

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I went with the guy who is 3 weeks of no-shaving away from being the Geico Caveman:


Disregarding all non-hockey factors, who'd you rather be - Petersson or O'Brien? Maybe this is how the poll should be phrased. I'd rather be the player making an NHL salary and with a promising future in the league.

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Disregarding all non-hockey factors, who'd you rather be - Petersson or O'Brien? Maybe this is how the poll should be phrased. I'd rather be the player making an NHL salary and with a promising future in the league.
That's exactly why I think its foolish to vote 4th liners over potential scoring line guys. You're looking at "right now" and don't look at the long term. JOB might have a better outlook this coming year, and yes, I'd take JOB's salary this year over AP's. But if I'm hitching my wagon to the guy that will have the best NHL career I can't see me picking a 4th line C over a young player with some pretty darned good NHL tools.

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That's exactly why I think its foolish to vote 4th liners over potential scoring line guys. You're looking at "right now" and don't look at the long term. JOB might have a better outlook this coming year, and yes, I'd take JOB's salary this year over AP's. But if I'm hitching my wagon to the guy that will have the best NHL career I can't see me picking a 4th line C over a young player with some pretty darned good NHL tools.
It really boils down to how much you value potential vs development.

If I'm at the draft, I'd definitely take the guy with top-end skills over the 'safer' pick. But when assessing prospects as they develop through the system, the development part comes into play more and more for me. AP may never make it to the NHL on a full-time basis, while O'Brien's already almost there, with the potential to work his way to the 3C slot.

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Interesting note about Eric Gryba - if he re-signs with the Sens for 1 year and does not play in at least 80 NHL games in 2012-13, he will become an unrestricted free agent at July 1, 2013 (assuming the qualification for Group 6 free agency doesn't change in the next CBA).

2012-13 would be Gryba's 3rd professional season - he turns 25 in April, 2013 and to-date has not played an NHL game.

From the CBA (section 10.1 (c)):

Group 6 Free Agents.
(i) Means any Player who is age 25 or older who has completed three
(3) or more professional seasons, whose SPC has expired and: (i)
in the case of a Player other than a goaltender, has played less than
80 NHL Games.

He may not be a Sens prospect much longer :-(
Per HF's Prospect Criteria and quoted in the first thread:
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[...] Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.
he has completed his 24th birthday season and is no longer eligible - unless of course I'm reading it wrong and they meant when he actually turns 25.

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The sky is blue.

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Posters on HFBoards overrate unproven prospects. Jim O'Brien should be about 6th on here. Hoffman should not be as high as he is. Same with Prince and Puempel.
top 6 potential > 4th line potential

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It really boils down to how much you value potential vs development.

If I'm at the draft, I'd definitely take the guy with top-end skills over the 'safer' pick. But when assessing prospects as they develop through the system, the development part comes into play more and more for me. AP may never make it to the NHL on a full-time basis, while O'Brien's already almost there, with the potential to work his way to the 3C slot.
It's a combo of both, because that is how GMs operate. We're all pretending to be GMs by doing this aren't we? At least I'd hope so or these rankings have no value whatsoever.

No GM would rate a young 4th liner above a bluechip prospect, but they obviously understand that the ~600 or so players in the NHL form an exclusive group (i.e. there aren't a group of 100 4th liners who could sub in at any moment), and that only a limited number of the ~210 players picked in the draft each year will ever make the league. O'Brien was ****ing fantastic for us defensively/on the PK down the stretch, has a great shot, and is still learning the offensive game at the NHL level.

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top 6 potential > 4th line potential
You can't bluntly categorize like that. Everything is a matter of degree.

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hopefully JOB get's pushed further and further down that his rank just becomes unrealistic and is forced to be taken out of the poll

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I'll go with Pageau here. A boom or bust.

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top 6 potential > 4th line potential
I'm not saying Peterson isn't more skilled than JOB, he clearly is, but I have serious doubts about the likelihood that Peterson ever becomes a player for us. I can see him not becoming a good enough player to break our top-6, I can see him going back to play in Europe... Petey's the better player, but is a far worse prospect, IMO. If we were rating which of our prospects were the most skilled, Filatov would be a top-10 guy in these polls.

This poll is about the best Ottawa Senators prospect, and I think JOB is ahead of Peterson in that regards. Peterson has the higher ceiling, but I can't honestly see him reaching that ceiling with us.

I'd love to be proven wrong, though... I just see him going back to Sweden after this year, where he'll be out-of-sight, out-of-mind.

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It's a combo of both, because that is how GMs operate. We're all pretending to be GMs by doing this aren't we? At least I'd hope so or these rankings have no value whatsoever.

No GM would rate a young 4th liner above a bluechip prospect, but they obviously understand that the ~600 or so players in the NHL form an exclusive group (i.e. there aren't a group of 100 4th liners who could sub in at any moment), and that only a limited number of the ~210 players picked in the draft each year will ever make the league. O'Brien was ****ing fantastic for us defensively/on the PK down the stretch, has a great shot, and is still learning the offensive game at the NHL level.
I agree completely, I was more or less pointing out that at this point, most posters are divided between whether we're voting on potential impact (eg AP) or likelihood of making the show (eg JOB).

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One way I look at it is:
If i had too many contracts and had to trade one of Peterssen/JOB away for a 5th round pick return. Which would I make. Hands are tied, no other options.

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I's between JGP and Claesson for me. I'm going with Claesson - I think he'll surprise us down the road.

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O'Brien. Obviously.

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